Yay Delaware.

 

Aren't the engines they are passing off as modern "hemis" just a marketing ploy?

 

Yes. The combustion chambers are not hemispherical.
A 13.2 would kick that car's *** (and mine, as far as I know). Good kill for your buddy.

 

to some extent, yes. i woudlnt call is a "ploy", because they arent just making it up...its more like a marketing tool. the 5.7 and 6.1 are very similar to the head design (which is basically what makes a hemi a hemi) to the 426 hemi of the 60s and 70s, but the face of the combustion chamber on the head is different now than it was back then. purists say no, but by the basic definition, it is a hemi...then again, by the basic definition, many engines with a plug mounted in the middle of the head resembles the hemi. when the 1st gen neons came out, people referred to the engine (420A) as the "semi hemi" because the cylinder head and valve cover resembled an old hemi head.

 

Wow, thanks for that explantation.

I know a few Die hard Dodge fanboy's, and they bitch about it whenever they see a Hemi tag.

I haven't ever heard of the "Semi Hemi" lol.

 

i figure that i might as well explain more, in case anyone cares...

here is a picture first, of a a cut apart 6.1L hemi. you can see that the combustion chamber portion of the head is pretty much flat, and that the pistons are also flat. a 426 hemi would have a combustion chamber more like the red line, as well as huge dome pistons.

in the second picture, youll see an original 426 hemi head CC, and you can see that the valves are set up into the head, and they are directly across from each other. when the valves are closed, the combustion chamber is like a smooth bowl.

the second picture is of a 5.7L hemi head, and you can see that along with the addition of an extra spark plug (which was also done with the 426 race hemis) the valves are elevated and brought closer together. the chamber is not smooth and hemispherical like the 426 head, but they are similar aside from that.

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popular hotrodding has an excellent article comparing the 5.7 hemi and the LS6, stock for stock...and they said that the head and intake design of the hemi flow better, and are good stock heads but leave alot of room for modification and even better flow...but they said that the engine design puts some limit on posible valve lift...however, the chevy-friendly hotrodding mag said that the hemi was as good of an engine as the LS6...

uh oh...someone said something might be comparable to an LSX engine..let the war begin.

 

I'm not surprised you kicked it's ***. The dodge magnum/300/charger are all a lot heavier than they should be. IIRC the curb weight is around 3900 and that's w/o any passengers. So these guys have another 300 or so pounds due to the extra passengers so he's up over 4200 pounds easy. I can't imagine the Subaru weighs anywhere near that!

 

youre right about that...and i think that youre being pretty generous saying that they only weigh 3900. however, the srt8 that i drove, even for a big car, handled an autoX course pretty nicely.

 

Hey ROTM. I remember seeing some sort of Omni (don't remember the year),or that type of car, that had a HEMI badge on the back. I want to say that there was a badge next to it that said 2.8L. Do you know anything about those? I wish I couldrecall the exact model. I just remember thinking it was odd.

 

it had to have been a joke...ive seen lots of cars with hemi badges...i stuck a "yeah its got a hemi" decal on my moms volvo wagon...

there were some reasonably fast omnis in the mid 80s...the Omni GLHS (Goes Like Hell, S'more) there was also a GLH (Goes Like Hell). it was a factory turbo car, and ive seen a few well into the 11s...stock form, they were in the 14s, stock..not bad considering those are similar times to the mustang GT of that era. I am not familiar with a 2.8L engine either. the GLHS's had the 2.2L Turbo, which was the biggest engine offered