03 Lightning vs 07 GT
12-14-2007, 08:04 AM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
Even with that magical ram air the SS/WS6 cars were still making more than the 325 claimed..hell even the C5 seems a bit under-rated when you consider a 345hp C5 put down 310+ rwhp (seen it MANY times). Either they had 10% drivetrain loss or they purposely left a little out on the table as well.
12-14-2007, 08:29 AM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
Gotta be careful with those Lightnings, my brother-in-law has his pushing about 430 to the wheels and dips into the mid-low 12's. The one time I ran him at the track he went around me like I was driving a Dodge Omni.
12-14-2007, 10:37 AM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
I ran one at the track a few times last Friday night. He had a 6lb pulley, CAI, Tune, DRs,and Control arms. He was running 12.73 at 106 with a 1.85 60 foot. He said he has been running 12.50s.I trapped a little higher and we actually ran neck and neck since I beat him at the tree a little. So he would basically gain on me and then hold there beside me. It wasn't a problem holding him off on top end. Those trucks are impressive as hell, especially with their weight.A friend of mine that works on my car has one and he says the Lightning has a cast crank. Why would ford put a cast crank in a FI vehicle?
12-14-2007, 10:59 AM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
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and after all is said and done the lightning produces around 380-390RWHP @ 480-490lbs tq. and runs 12's whereas the GT just comes out of the deal having a closer gear ratio
After all is said and done it's still a heavy truck.
then the gear advantage is still there with the lightning as the big ratio they like to go with is 3.73 (up from their stock 3.55's in the earlier models) and all the bolt on's are right there for it and cost the same as the S197's mods
What's their final gear ratio? I'm sure their tire diameter is much larger than a mustangs.
and I also might mention the engine is already setup for FI so all you need is a KB blower unit that will set you back about 3K... no other components needed... although once you get into the KB route the stock auto tranny will need to be replaced but that's the only negative comparing it to a mustang GT... and even then it's more of an equal negative as the mustang's tranny will need to be swapped after that much power as well.... the 5.4L forged bottom end is a big advantage in dollar for dollar as well... something the mustang will need to stop and replace
You've never heard of a 5spd manual? I even have the stock clutch still.
the FI 5.4L is just a better performer per dollar no matter how much you look at it... the biggest misconception with these engines is that people think they are a 4V DOHC design whereas they are a 2V SOHC engine
I agree it's a better engine, but it's still in a much heavier truck. Dollar for dollar it's hard to beat a blown 4.6L, unless you want a used car.
and after all is said and done the lightning produces around 380-390RWHP @ 480-490lbs tq. and runs 12's whereas the GT just comes out of the deal having a closer gear ratio
After all is said and done it's still a heavy truck.
then the gear advantage is still there with the lightning as the big ratio they like to go with is 3.73 (up from their stock 3.55's in the earlier models) and all the bolt on's are right there for it and cost the same as the S197's mods
What's their final gear ratio? I'm sure their tire diameter is much larger than a mustangs.
and I also might mention the engine is already setup for FI so all you need is a KB blower unit that will set you back about 3K... no other components needed... although once you get into the KB route the stock auto tranny will need to be replaced but that's the only negative comparing it to a mustang GT... and even then it's more of an equal negative as the mustang's tranny will need to be swapped after that much power as well.... the 5.4L forged bottom end is a big advantage in dollar for dollar as well... something the mustang will need to stop and replace
You've never heard of a 5spd manual? I even have the stock clutch still.
the FI 5.4L is just a better performer per dollar no matter how much you look at it... the biggest misconception with these engines is that people think they are a 4V DOHC design whereas they are a 2V SOHC engine
I agree it's a better engine, but it's still in a much heavier truck. Dollar for dollar it's hard to beat a blown 4.6L, unless you want a used car.
12-14-2007, 11:19 AM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
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ORIGINAL: Morbid Intentions
and after all is said and done the lightning produces around 380-390RWHP @ 480-490lbs tq. and runs 12's whereas the GT just comes out of the deal having a closer gear ratio
After all is said and done it's still a heavy truck.
then the gear advantage is still there with the lightning as the big ratio they like to go with is 3.73 (up from their stock 3.55's in the earlier models) and all the bolt on's are right there for it and cost the same as the S197's mods
What's their final gear ratio? I'm sure their tire diameter is much larger than a mustangs.
and I also might mention the engine is already setup for FI so all you need is a KB blower unit that will set you back about 3K... no other components needed... although once you get into the KB route the stock auto tranny will need to be replaced but that's the only negative comparing it to a mustang GT... and even then it's more of an equal negative as the mustang's tranny will need to be swapped after that much power as well.... the 5.4L forged bottom end is a big advantage in dollar for dollar as well... something the mustang will need to stop and replace
You've never heard of a 5spd manual? I even have the stock clutch still.
the FI 5.4L is just a better performer per dollar no matter how much you look at it... the biggest misconception with these engines is that people think they are a 4V DOHC design whereas they are a 2V SOHC engine
I agree it's a better engine, but it's still in a much heavier truck. Dollar for dollar it's hard to beat a blown 4.6L, unless you want a used car.
ORIGINAL: Morbid Intentions
and after all is said and done the lightning produces around 380-390RWHP @ 480-490lbs tq. and runs 12's whereas the GT just comes out of the deal having a closer gear ratio
After all is said and done it's still a heavy truck.
then the gear advantage is still there with the lightning as the big ratio they like to go with is 3.73 (up from their stock 3.55's in the earlier models) and all the bolt on's are right there for it and cost the same as the S197's mods
What's their final gear ratio? I'm sure their tire diameter is much larger than a mustangs.
and I also might mention the engine is already setup for FI so all you need is a KB blower unit that will set you back about 3K... no other components needed... although once you get into the KB route the stock auto tranny will need to be replaced but that's the only negative comparing it to a mustang GT... and even then it's more of an equal negative as the mustang's tranny will need to be swapped after that much power as well.... the 5.4L forged bottom end is a big advantage in dollar for dollar as well... something the mustang will need to stop and replace
You've never heard of a 5spd manual? I even have the stock clutch still.
the FI 5.4L is just a better performer per dollar no matter how much you look at it... the biggest misconception with these engines is that people think they are a 4V DOHC design whereas they are a 2V SOHC engine
I agree it's a better engine, but it's still in a much heavier truck. Dollar for dollar it's hard to beat a blown 4.6L, unless you want a used car.
If I had a Lighting or Harley Davison F-150, I would get a pulley, CAI, upper plenum, exhaust work, tune, larger heat exchanger,and a bed cover. That is really mild compared to what you chould do to them, but still a bad as$$ truck with minimal bolt-ons.
12-14-2007, 11:38 AM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
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Can a stock s197 beat a lightning?
Can a stock s197 beat a lightning?
12-14-2007, 12:59 PM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
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Am I getting some hostile Lighting vibes? Morbid brought-up some good points. Think about it, a factory supercharged motor is set-up to go, you save a lot of time and money when you are not trying to beef-up everything else to handle the power, it is already done for you. The gears are still good, even though the tires are bigger, and if you not think so, they can swap gears in a Lighting, just asthey can in any other Ford 8.8 rearend.
If I had a Lighting or Harley Davison F-150, I would get a pulley, CAI, upper plenum, exhaust work, tune, larger heat exchanger,and a bed cover. That is really mild compared to what you chould do to them, but still a bad as$$ truck with minimal bolt-ons.
Am I getting some hostile Lighting vibes? Morbid brought-up some good points. Think about it, a factory supercharged motor is set-up to go, you save a lot of time and money when you are not trying to beef-up everything else to handle the power, it is already done for you. The gears are still good, even though the tires are bigger, and if you not think so, they can swap gears in a Lighting, just asthey can in any other Ford 8.8 rearend.
If I had a Lighting or Harley Davison F-150, I would get a pulley, CAI, upper plenum, exhaust work, tune, larger heat exchanger,and a bed cover. That is really mild compared to what you chould do to them, but still a bad as$$ truck with minimal bolt-ons.
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-1-li...re-please.html
Now a new mustang all it takes is a supercharger of your choosing and a tire. Does the 5.4L in the lightning even have forged internals? You can't just keep changing pulleys like on a cobra.
12-14-2007, 01:08 PM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
Well looking online it seems to have atleast forged pistons, no mention of the crank or rods. Anyway it's a heavy truck. If I needed a fast truck it's the best thing going, but it's going to hit a speed barrier much sooner than a lighter car.
12-14-2007, 01:18 PM
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RE: 03 Lightning vs 07 GT
I'm not up on my lightning specs, but lets see what it takes to get in the 11's with a lightning.
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-1-li...re-please.html
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-1-li...re-please.html
I respect your car I really do... and I think you have alot of tech info to offerbut I don't really think you should be talking about this subject if you think agen one lighting are the new ones with the supercharged 5.4L
this is what it takes to run 11's with a Gen 2
http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...ting54_26L.htm
and that's a 3K unit....