this is horrible
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From: NoDak
RE: this is horrible
Your scenario is different from mine on account of- Mine was something that is a common daily occurrence (not the results persay, but the woman not paying attention), and takes no will to break the law to commit. Yours is involving something in which someone must first decide to break the law, and then as a result of a strictly coincidental problem (the tire blowing), that decision ends up causing an accident. The blow out could have happened at regualr speed. The collision could have still killed the pedestrian even at legal speeds. Furthermore, the average responsible individual driving a sportscar is not being near as wasteful as someone driving a big truck or SUV 'because they have the freedom to'. Sportscars don't use much more gas than average cars, they're not as dangerous to others in terms of being in a collision w/ one, and they're not near as common as trucks/suv's. If you bought your truck to fulfill needs that couldn't be met by another vehicle, then by all means, go for it. But there are a LOT of people out there who buy themsimply because they can. And that's the mindset that will eventually be the downfall of this great nation, if it's not changed. It's selfish, it's irresponsible, it's pointless, and it has multiple adverse consequences. I get so pissed off when I see some 30- something attention-deprived guy driving his Hummer H2 on 24's around town, day-in and day-out. There's Soldiers over in Iraq dying in Humvees almost on a daily basis; and here you have some shallow, wasteful, attention-seeking yuppie contributing to the reason that our Soldiers are over there in the first place. Talk about irony.......[&o]
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RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: scg87
Your scenario is different from mine on account of- Mine was something that is a common daily occurrence (not the results persay, but the woman not paying attention), and takes no will to break the law to commit. Yours is involving something in which someone must first decide to break the law, and then as a result of a strictly coincidental problem (the tire blowing), that decision ends up causing an accident. The blow out could have happened at regualr speed. The collision could have still killed the pedestrian even at legal speeds. Furthermore, the average responsible individual driving a sportscar is not being near as wasteful as someone driving a big truck or SUV 'because they have the freedom to'. Sportscars don't use much more gas than average cars, they're not as dangerous to others in terms of being in a collision w/ one, and they're not near as common as trucks/suv's. If you bought your truck to fulfill needs that couldn't be met by another vehicle, then by all means, go for it. But there are a LOT of people out there who buy themsimply because they can. And that's the mindset that will eventually be the downfall of this great nation, if it's not changed. It's selfish, it's irresponsible, it's pointless, and it has multiple adverse consequences. I get so pissed off when I see some 30- something attention-deprived guy driving his Hummer H2 on 24's around town, day-in and day-out. There's Soldiers over in Iraq dying in Humvees almost on a daily basis; and here you have some shallow, wasteful, attention-seeking yuppie contributing to the reason that our Soldiers are over there in the first place. Talk about irony.......[&o]
Your scenario is different from mine on account of- Mine was something that is a common daily occurrence (not the results persay, but the woman not paying attention), and takes no will to break the law to commit. Yours is involving something in which someone must first decide to break the law, and then as a result of a strictly coincidental problem (the tire blowing), that decision ends up causing an accident. The blow out could have happened at regualr speed. The collision could have still killed the pedestrian even at legal speeds. Furthermore, the average responsible individual driving a sportscar is not being near as wasteful as someone driving a big truck or SUV 'because they have the freedom to'. Sportscars don't use much more gas than average cars, they're not as dangerous to others in terms of being in a collision w/ one, and they're not near as common as trucks/suv's. If you bought your truck to fulfill needs that couldn't be met by another vehicle, then by all means, go for it. But there are a LOT of people out there who buy themsimply because they can. And that's the mindset that will eventually be the downfall of this great nation, if it's not changed. It's selfish, it's irresponsible, it's pointless, and it has multiple adverse consequences. I get so pissed off when I see some 30- something attention-deprived guy driving his Hummer H2 on 24's around town, day-in and day-out. There's Soldiers over in Iraq dying in Humvees almost on a daily basis; and here you have some shallow, wasteful, attention-seeking yuppie contributing to the reason that our Soldiers are over there in the first place. Talk about irony.......[&o]
2005 Ram 4x4 diesel
2007 toyota fj cruiser
1998 Mazda mpv (minivan)
1972 Mach-1
I am married with two kids. I do drive the mini van 4 out of 7 days weekly for cost efficiency. One set of tires on the mini van is about the cost of one tire on my truck. My wife chose a compact suv as she was tired of the mini van and she gets average 21 mpg with it and is a responsible and impecable driver. I am all for freedom and I see your point as well.
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From: The Great Northwest
RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: joshafmil
i can understand not driving HUGE suv's, but many people that dont live in cities actually use their trucks. a soccer mom may not need the biggest suv on the market, but depending on the area she lives, would need something suv like.
my dad has a truck that he uses all year round for what its built for, and he lives in suburbia. but its used in towing, driving in snow, mud, and the bed gets a beating.
the bills player drives the h2 for the status... nothing else.
this whole idea where people should be driving these little electric cars with no power is crap. the sad thing is, this eco friendly tech is actually worse for the environment. its going to be nice in 50 years when we have millions of batteries littering land fills. its simple to see how this is nothing more then a trendy phase.
when we have a problem with batt. acid, then we will have a whole new wave of people complaining.
ORIGINAL: 94Thunderbirdpunk
I get a kick out of this whole thing. There needs to be a lack of common sense tax on vehicles. I worked at a gas station a number of years and there used to be a ton of people coming in with huge suv's and trucks that they really didn't need, but b*tched left and right about how much it cost them to put fuel in it and how crappy their mileage was.
The funniest one, who never really complained, but it always made me laugh was a Bills football player who had a decked out Hummer H2. The man lived in Ohio, and drove to back and forth from his home to Buffalo every day, by himself. Talk about a waste of fuel. He could easily afford it, but it's just rediculous how wasteful people get when they can afford to drive a vehicle like that as a daily driver.
I get a kick out of this whole thing. There needs to be a lack of common sense tax on vehicles. I worked at a gas station a number of years and there used to be a ton of people coming in with huge suv's and trucks that they really didn't need, but b*tched left and right about how much it cost them to put fuel in it and how crappy their mileage was.
The funniest one, who never really complained, but it always made me laugh was a Bills football player who had a decked out Hummer H2. The man lived in Ohio, and drove to back and forth from his home to Buffalo every day, by himself. Talk about a waste of fuel. He could easily afford it, but it's just rediculous how wasteful people get when they can afford to drive a vehicle like that as a daily driver.
my dad has a truck that he uses all year round for what its built for, and he lives in suburbia. but its used in towing, driving in snow, mud, and the bed gets a beating.
the bills player drives the h2 for the status... nothing else.
this whole idea where people should be driving these little electric cars with no power is crap. the sad thing is, this eco friendly tech is actually worse for the environment. its going to be nice in 50 years when we have millions of batteries littering land fills. its simple to see how this is nothing more then a trendy phase.
when we have a problem with batt. acid, then we will have a whole new wave of people complaining.
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From: NoDak
RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: jimmyDiablo
I give you credit as you raise many more points than the original Thread starter. I know people that have nice trucks lifted, 4x4, bed liner that have never had anything in the bed, never been off road and never will. I personally buy vehicles for purpose. However to ban a vehicle or type of vehicle for the sake of the size or intended use is most likely not going to happen. While a sports car may get better mileage then a truck, intended use for 300-600 h/p on a street legal vehicle is impracticle. Change is inevitable and I did not really want to get anyone mad with my posting ( I know your not mad, just debating however I know some probobaly got mad or will when they read) it was merely to point out that trucks in general are not the problem. While I hate suvs and think they are a waste many people like the style and truck like platform over a minivan (for families0. in my driveway and garage you will see:
2005 Ram 4x4 diesel
2007 toyota fj cruiser
1998 Mazda mpv (minivan)
1972 Mach-1
I am married with two kids. I do drive the mini van 4 out of 7 days weekly for cost efficiency. One set of tires on the mini van is about the cost of one tire on my truck. My wife chose a compact suv as she was tired of the mini van and she gets average 21 mpg with it and is a responsible and impecable driver. I am all for freedom and I see your point as well.
ORIGINAL: scg87
Your scenario is different from mine on account of- Mine was something that is a common daily occurrence (not the results persay, but the woman not paying attention), and takes no will to break the law to commit. Yours is involving something in which someone must first decide to break the law, and then as a result of a strictly coincidental problem (the tire blowing), that decision ends up causing an accident. The blow out could have happened at regualr speed. The collision could have still killed the pedestrian even at legal speeds. Furthermore, the average responsible individual driving a sportscar is not being near as wasteful as someone driving a big truck or SUV 'because they have the freedom to'. Sportscars don't use much more gas than average cars, they're not as dangerous to others in terms of being in a collision w/ one, and they're not near as common as trucks/suv's. If you bought your truck to fulfill needs that couldn't be met by another vehicle, then by all means, go for it. But there are a LOT of people out there who buy themsimply because they can. And that's the mindset that will eventually be the downfall of this great nation, if it's not changed. It's selfish, it's irresponsible, it's pointless, and it has multiple adverse consequences. I get so pissed off when I see some 30- something attention-deprived guy driving his Hummer H2 on 24's around town, day-in and day-out. There's Soldiers over in Iraq dying in Humvees almost on a daily basis; and here you have some shallow, wasteful, attention-seeking yuppie contributing to the reason that our Soldiers are over there in the first place. Talk about irony.......[&o]
Your scenario is different from mine on account of- Mine was something that is a common daily occurrence (not the results persay, but the woman not paying attention), and takes no will to break the law to commit. Yours is involving something in which someone must first decide to break the law, and then as a result of a strictly coincidental problem (the tire blowing), that decision ends up causing an accident. The blow out could have happened at regualr speed. The collision could have still killed the pedestrian even at legal speeds. Furthermore, the average responsible individual driving a sportscar is not being near as wasteful as someone driving a big truck or SUV 'because they have the freedom to'. Sportscars don't use much more gas than average cars, they're not as dangerous to others in terms of being in a collision w/ one, and they're not near as common as trucks/suv's. If you bought your truck to fulfill needs that couldn't be met by another vehicle, then by all means, go for it. But there are a LOT of people out there who buy themsimply because they can. And that's the mindset that will eventually be the downfall of this great nation, if it's not changed. It's selfish, it's irresponsible, it's pointless, and it has multiple adverse consequences. I get so pissed off when I see some 30- something attention-deprived guy driving his Hummer H2 on 24's around town, day-in and day-out. There's Soldiers over in Iraq dying in Humvees almost on a daily basis; and here you have some shallow, wasteful, attention-seeking yuppie contributing to the reason that our Soldiers are over there in the first place. Talk about irony.......[&o]
2005 Ram 4x4 diesel
2007 toyota fj cruiser
1998 Mazda mpv (minivan)
1972 Mach-1
I am married with two kids. I do drive the mini van 4 out of 7 days weekly for cost efficiency. One set of tires on the mini van is about the cost of one tire on my truck. My wife chose a compact suv as she was tired of the mini van and she gets average 21 mpg with it and is a responsible and impecable driver. I am all for freedom and I see your point as well.
I see your point. And I wasn't even talking about banning the vehicles all-together. I simply suggested a heavy tax penalty for people that don't meet criteria to actually need them. Like said 30-something attention ***** driving the Hummer.....
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From: Texas
RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: jimmyDiablo
Hey Justice, You ready to give up your stang as you dont need it. Perhaps trade it for a Merker xr4ti? or a focus svt? If they do this the next trend will be that cars need not go faster then the speed limit. so will manufactures detune them to go no more than 75 mph (fastest speed limit I have seen)?
Hey Justice, You ready to give up your stang as you dont need it. Perhaps trade it for a Merker xr4ti? or a focus svt? If they do this the next trend will be that cars need not go faster then the speed limit. so will manufactures detune them to go no more than 75 mph (fastest speed limit I have seen)?
ORIGINAL: Sarge_13
Then bud, you have never been to Texas!
Then bud, you have never been to Texas!
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Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 507
From: Lake of the Ozarks
RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: downriverT
Was this about cars. All I got out of it was how right wing conservative the writer is and how I should vote.
Was this about cars. All I got out of it was how right wing conservative the writer is and how I should vote.
I agree with a lot of people on here it is completly pointless for most people that own SUVs to have them. The other day at Lowes I saw this guy pull up going about 40 in a parking lot pull up in a Hummer H2 with probably an 8 inch lift and 24's with street tires and he gets out wearing a Hawian shirt and fancy sunglasses. Later I see him checking out... all he bought was a was a hammer. Most wastefull thing I have ever seen.
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RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: Justice
I am not attacking you. You obviously need a truck since you haul stuff around. But if you never haul crap, there is no excuse for having a daily driver that does less than 15 in the city. The mustang is an econobox compared to all those big SUV's and Trucks...
I LIVE in Texas. And I am seeing a bunch more econoboxes than 4 years ago...
ORIGINAL: jimmyDiablo
Hey Justice, You ready to give up your stang as you dont need it. Perhaps trade it for a Merker xr4ti? or a focus svt? If they do this the next trend will be that cars need not go faster then the speed limit. so will manufactures detune them to go no more than 75 mph (fastest speed limit I have seen)?
Hey Justice, You ready to give up your stang as you dont need it. Perhaps trade it for a Merker xr4ti? or a focus svt? If they do this the next trend will be that cars need not go faster then the speed limit. so will manufactures detune them to go no more than 75 mph (fastest speed limit I have seen)?
ORIGINAL: Sarge_13
Then bud, you have never been to Texas!
Then bud, you have never been to Texas!
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Posts: 1,060
From: Texas
RE: this is horrible
ORIGINAL: jimmyDiablo
My Fault man. I am different as I run about 90% waste vegatable oil in my truck (filtered of course) and I use it for intended purposes, Not for my employment but my bed gets use.
My Fault man. I am different as I run about 90% waste vegatable oil in my truck (filtered of course) and I use it for intended purposes, Not for my employment but my bed gets use.
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19
From: Charleston, WV
RE: this is horrible
The tone of this article is much more subjective than is necessary. I can't be convinced that any form of legislation could permanently kill muscle cars. Possibly muscle cars as we know it (however unlikely), but never cars that are engineered to go fast. Ever heard of the Tesla Roadster? 0-60 in under 4 seconds. All electric. The Ariel Atom is another example of amazing sportiness and great economy. Cars like this, while diverging greatly from our current popular sports cars, could possibly fill the void if V8s went the way of the dinosaur. However, I stress that I don't believe our Mustangs, or any other muscle car, is truly in danger of extinction.
And regarding the side thread that has emerged about large vehicles: I am also annoyed by overly large vehicles that serve no purpose to the driver. I know some people utilize the off road / towing / hauling capabilities of these vehicles, but I shudder everytime I see the neighborhood H2 with bright orange paint, spinners, and a brown note producing sound system. I am also annoyed by the people who drive their Ram 8500 Trilies or F-1050 Hexcabs to class and I have to engage in an akward trade off with the person going in the opposite direction in the parking garage to get around the behemoth that hangs out well into the driveway.
Funny I read about this now. Tonight, I was waiting in front of Kroger for my mom to get some Christmas supplies when a single, bluetooth-toting man in a black Escalade parks in the frontmost handicapped spot, leaves his SUV running with lights on, and emerges from Kroger a few minutes later with a 6-pack of Heneken. God Bless America.
And regarding the side thread that has emerged about large vehicles: I am also annoyed by overly large vehicles that serve no purpose to the driver. I know some people utilize the off road / towing / hauling capabilities of these vehicles, but I shudder everytime I see the neighborhood H2 with bright orange paint, spinners, and a brown note producing sound system. I am also annoyed by the people who drive their Ram 8500 Trilies or F-1050 Hexcabs to class and I have to engage in an akward trade off with the person going in the opposite direction in the parking garage to get around the behemoth that hangs out well into the driveway.
Funny I read about this now. Tonight, I was waiting in front of Kroger for my mom to get some Christmas supplies when a single, bluetooth-toting man in a black Escalade parks in the frontmost handicapped spot, leaves his SUV running with lights on, and emerges from Kroger a few minutes later with a 6-pack of Heneken. God Bless America.