Vortech V-2 upgrades?
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From: CT
RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
ORIGINAL: SteelStang05
Thanks. Will do! Do you know any good brands to get? How hard are they to hook up?
Thanks. Will do! Do you know any good brands to get? How hard are they to hook up?
I'd highly recommend the Dynojet: http://www.widebandcommander.com/
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
Just to let you know I have more mods than you have listed and I got my car tuned by one of the best and I still only have 280rwhp at 10psi, so just to let you know I think your numbers are pretty high and not very realistic. And if your running 12psi for a daily driver on stock internals your pushing your luck, not saying it will not be fine but your getting close. If you want that kind of power you are going to have to go turbo!!!
I am just saying i know this stuff because I have expeirenced it first hand and I still drive it every day!!!!
I am just saying i know this stuff because I have expeirenced it first hand and I still drive it every day!!!!
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam
I ran a Snow Performance meth kit on my 2000 Mustang GT Vert. I had a Vortech supercharger with no intercooler, so the meth was performing as a chemical intercooler. It's hard to tell what kind of power I picked up when it first went on because the last dyno I had before the kit was done at Modular Power House in GA. The meth kit went on at Kaufmans in PA whose dyno reads lower. I eventually did a pulley swap and ran over 400 rwhp on an engine that had 135k (stock block). I also had almost every other performance mod out there (l/t headers, etc.). I also run a meth kit on my STI, but they react differently in turbo applications.
One thing about chemical intercooling. If the tuner tunes the car to take full advantage of the added octane the meth provides and that sucker stops spraying for some reason while under boost, you've got about 2 seconds to get out of the gas before your engine is toast. A failed pump - a clogged nozzle - a busted line - all could spell doom. My tuner did not advance the timing to take full effect of the added octane the meth provided. He was under the "better safe than sorry" impression (Modular Power House wouldn't even install the kit - said it was a ticking time bomb). In fact, the meth system did fail on the guy I sold the car to while he was road racing it. That was the end of the engine.
In any event, set aside $500 or so for a good WIDEBAND A/F guage. It is one of your few defenses. Good luck.
I ran a Snow Performance meth kit on my 2000 Mustang GT Vert. I had a Vortech supercharger with no intercooler, so the meth was performing as a chemical intercooler. It's hard to tell what kind of power I picked up when it first went on because the last dyno I had before the kit was done at Modular Power House in GA. The meth kit went on at Kaufmans in PA whose dyno reads lower. I eventually did a pulley swap and ran over 400 rwhp on an engine that had 135k (stock block). I also had almost every other performance mod out there (l/t headers, etc.). I also run a meth kit on my STI, but they react differently in turbo applications.
One thing about chemical intercooling. If the tuner tunes the car to take full advantage of the added octane the meth provides and that sucker stops spraying for some reason while under boost, you've got about 2 seconds to get out of the gas before your engine is toast. A failed pump - a clogged nozzle - a busted line - all could spell doom. My tuner did not advance the timing to take full effect of the added octane the meth provided. He was under the "better safe than sorry" impression (Modular Power House wouldn't even install the kit - said it was a ticking time bomb). In fact, the meth system did fail on the guy I sold the car to while he was road racing it. That was the end of the engine.
In any event, set aside $500 or so for a good WIDEBAND A/F guage. It is one of your few defenses. Good luck.
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
ORIGINAL: Grabber
Steelestang- Sure, the sixxer has forged internals, but an Aluminum block engine is of much better quality. Not to mention, your rear end will weaken especially if that S/C'ed sixxer is your DD. Launching the car hard will obviously do that, however, roll racing is just as hard on the rear end. You will still need to beef the rear end up regardless.
Now, about your tranny... correct me if I am wrong but the GT and the sixxer have the same trans, the GT's is a bit more beefed up though. If my trans is rated at 400lbs. of Torque, and the sixxer is rated less, what do you think will happen? Do these other people you talk about DD their S/C'ed sixxer, running on 14-15 lbs. of boost? the choice is yours. I am giving you my advice from someone experience with racing, and with mustangs, especially with your setup.
Steelestang- Sure, the sixxer has forged internals, but an Aluminum block engine is of much better quality. Not to mention, your rear end will weaken especially if that S/C'ed sixxer is your DD. Launching the car hard will obviously do that, however, roll racing is just as hard on the rear end. You will still need to beef the rear end up regardless.
Now, about your tranny... correct me if I am wrong but the GT and the sixxer have the same trans, the GT's is a bit more beefed up though. If my trans is rated at 400lbs. of Torque, and the sixxer is rated less, what do you think will happen? Do these other people you talk about DD their S/C'ed sixxer, running on 14-15 lbs. of boost? the choice is yours. I am giving you my advice from someone experience with racing, and with mustangs, especially with your setup.
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
Mamba, just wondering whatperformance mods do you have over me(please post them)?Since no one likes reading my sig I'll post what I have:
-cai
-duals(jba's) w/h-pipe
-shorty headers
-t-lok
-4.10's
-aluminum driveshaft
-93 octane race tune
-throttle body spacer (lol)
-rear upper and lower control arms
That's for now, what I am definitly going to add:
-vortech h/o 10/11psi
-zabteck throttle body(10rwhp tuned)
-snowperformance stage 2 cooling kit (meth/h2o kit)
-gt-take off 17"bullits
-and possibly if I have money left over-power cables and livewires
From this info, the only hpmods I can think of that you might have over me when I'm done with this project would be the power cables and livewires, a P&P head, performance cam, hi-flow cats, longtube headers,and udp's(don't work with f/i apps's). From what I can think, if you had heads and cam you would have dyno'd near 400rwhp. So I can cancel that off the bat. Please post your hp mods, because if there is some you havethat I don't know about I want to know. I would like increasing myrwhp before I dyno as much as I can safely.
To help prove my hp guess to mamba, here is some info I found:
Few vortech h/o mustang dyno runs from this site and 4.0collective:
-hamidlmt-12psi-328rwhp/315rwtorque-automatic (hp related mods-shorty headers and duals)
-ronaele05-12psi-330rwhp/317rwtorque-automatic-(hp mods-hi-flow muffler)
-droptop6-10psi-315rwhp/xxxrwtorque-(duals, no cats, 20inch rims(less rwhp))
-screaminyellin6-11.3psi-317rwhp/314rwtorque-(duals)
Mamba, Do you still think I wouldn't be able to see 350rwhp on a dyno jet? It seems I could possiblyevensee it on mustang dyno with what I'm planning. I think the problem is the weight of your 20inch rims and/or something on your car/supercharger wasn't working right when you dyno'd. Or you could have had really bad dyno conditions and your engine's a heat soaker.
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
Horsepower is just a number that too many people get all wound up about. When I had my Vortech put on by MPH it dynoed 376 rwhp.
When I brought it in for more work at Kaufmans in PA it dynoed 350 something. Both were Dynojets. I was crushed. Then I drove it and I could feel the difference.
My suggestion is to do what you plan on doing, plus supporting mods to make sure stuff don't break and the power gets to the ground. You'll be happy - trust me.
When I brought it in for more work at Kaufmans in PA it dynoed 350 something. Both were Dynojets. I was crushed. Then I drove it and I could feel the difference.
My suggestion is to do what you plan on doing, plus supporting mods to make sure stuff don't break and the power gets to the ground. You'll be happy - trust me.
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
ORIGINAL: BicketyBam
Horsepower is just a number that too many people get all wound up about. When I had my Vortech put on by MPH it dynoed 376 rwhp.
My suggestion is to do what you plan on doing, plus supporting mods to make sure stuff don't break and the power gets to the ground. You'll be happy - trust me.
Horsepower is just a number that too many people get all wound up about. When I had my Vortech put on by MPH it dynoed 376 rwhp.
My suggestion is to do what you plan on doing, plus supporting mods to make sure stuff don't break and the power gets to the ground. You'll be happy - trust me.
. I have a bunch of supporting mods already for the centri and traction. I still would liketo know whathp mods mamba may have over me so I can hook up my ride even more before I tune it and throw everything on. 
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
Ok well let me think:
Mods:
JBA H Dual exhaust
JBA Shorty Headers
JBA wires
Loki Throtle Body 70mm
Vortech H/O Supercharger 10psi
Plasma Booster
Professionally tuned
SCT Tuner
Tlok
3.73
20's American Racing
Thats all I can think of at the moment. I am planning to do a battery relocation, along with canton coolant tank (goes where Battery used to) and a 03/04 Cobra Dual Pass Heat Exchanger. But I proably still will be low on HP, my car I guess doesn't like it.
Mods:
JBA H Dual exhaust
JBA Shorty Headers
JBA wires
Loki Throtle Body 70mm
Vortech H/O Supercharger 10psi
Plasma Booster
Professionally tuned
SCT Tuner
Tlok
3.73
20's American Racing
Thats all I can think of at the moment. I am planning to do a battery relocation, along with canton coolant tank (goes where Battery used to) and a 03/04 Cobra Dual Pass Heat Exchanger. But I proably still will be low on HP, my car I guess doesn't like it.
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RE: Vortech V-2 upgrades?
ORIGINAL: Black Mamba GTT
Ok well let me think:
Mods:
JBA H Dual exhaust
JBA Shorty Headers
JBA wires
Loki Throtle Body 70mm
Vortech H/O Supercharger 10psi
Plasma Booster
Professionally tuned
SCT Tuner
Tlok
3.73
20's American Racing
Thats all I can think of at the moment. I am planning to do a battery relocation, along with canton coolant tank (goes where Battery used to) and a 03/04 Cobra Dual Pass Heat Exchanger. But I proably still will be low on HP, my car I guess doesn't like it.
Ok well let me think:
Mods:
JBA H Dual exhaust
JBA Shorty Headers
JBA wires
Loki Throtle Body 70mm
Vortech H/O Supercharger 10psi
Plasma Booster
Professionally tuned
SCT Tuner
Tlok
3.73
20's American Racing
Thats all I can think of at the moment. I am planning to do a battery relocation, along with canton coolant tank (goes where Battery used to) and a 03/04 Cobra Dual Pass Heat Exchanger. But I proably still will be low on HP, my car I guess doesn't like it.