LT1 FTL
6th Gear Member
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From: NC
RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: tspence45
It's not rare to see an LT1 that's been taken care of run 13's stock. Most of the ones people see at the track have very high miles and have been run ragged. Even a 2.73 geared auto LT1 has the ability to run 13's. And from a roll, the 4v *should* take both the LT1 and 2v. Low power is the LT1's advantage on both cars. 325lbft@2400 rpm stock really plays into the LT1's favor, cosidering, both 2v's and 4v's don't make that much torque and they also don't make peak torque until 3500rpm for 2v and 4800rpm for the 4v.
It's not rare to see an LT1 that's been taken care of run 13's stock. Most of the ones people see at the track have very high miles and have been run ragged. Even a 2.73 geared auto LT1 has the ability to run 13's. And from a roll, the 4v *should* take both the LT1 and 2v. Low power is the LT1's advantage on both cars. 325lbft@2400 rpm stock really plays into the LT1's favor, cosidering, both 2v's and 4v's don't make that much torque and they also don't make peak torque until 3500rpm for 2v and 4800rpm for the 4v.
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RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: tspence45
^^^ An npi GT is a mid-low 15 second car. If you've got a hard top with a 5speed and no options, you could run high 14's on a good day. A New Edge sixxer can pull a mid-high 15 with a decent driver. I actually heard that Evan Smith was able to put a bone stock New Edge sixxer into the high 14's.
^^^ An npi GT is a mid-low 15 second car. If you've got a hard top with a 5speed and no options, you could run high 14's on a good day. A New Edge sixxer can pull a mid-high 15 with a decent driver. I actually heard that Evan Smith was able to put a bone stock New Edge sixxer into the high 14's.
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From: Monmouth, IL
RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: S8ER01Z
1 second and 10 mph slower...stock to stock. 
Trust me I owned an LT1 for ~5 years... I don't hate them and I don't think they are worthless but I certainly know where their strengths and weaknesses are.
ORIGINAL: tspence45
lol. I was also thinking that.
I'm not a dick. And the LS1 guys are usually the overconfident drivers. Most of the ones on here are pretty cool though. And the only Mustangs that will beat LT1's consistantly have 3v's or4v's in them and are 01's or newer. It's funny usually how inferior the LS1 guys think the LT1's are compared to the LS1.
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT
You still were not totally honest...don't pretend you were..lol
doesnt justify his 'toolness' but come on,, wouldnt you be kind of shocked if you were in his shoes, and the other driver had just told you he was making 205 hp to the wheels max? lol
You still were not totally honest...don't pretend you were..lol
doesnt justify his 'toolness' but come on,, wouldnt you be kind of shocked if you were in his shoes, and the other driver had just told you he was making 205 hp to the wheels max? lol
ORIGINAL: stanggang1892
there ya go man! nice job... The LT1 guys are dicks because they are pissed they get beat by mustangs and LS1 guys look at them as the dorky kid in gym class [8D]
there ya go man! nice job... The LT1 guys are dicks because they are pissed they get beat by mustangs and LS1 guys look at them as the dorky kid in gym class [8D]
Trust me I owned an LT1 for ~5 years... I don't hate them and I don't think they are worthless but I certainly know where their strengths and weaknesses are.
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From: CT
RE: LT1 FTL
The LT1 was an excellent engine for it's time and it can be modded to put up some very impressive N/A numbers. Good read right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine#LT1
I loved my 2000 Mustang GT, but it didn't take too long to figure out that in order to get any sort of power out of it, I had to slap a supercharger on it. Not so with the GM engines. My only bitch (if you want call it that) is that *some* GM guys act like cam/heads is a simple bolt on. To me, cam/heads on GM engines is like a supercharger on the Ford engines. I'm doing neither in my garage on a free weekend.
I loved my 2000 Mustang GT, but it didn't take too long to figure out that in order to get any sort of power out of it, I had to slap a supercharger on it. Not so with the GM engines. My only bitch (if you want call it that) is that *some* GM guys act like cam/heads is a simple bolt on. To me, cam/heads on GM engines is like a supercharger on the Ford engines. I'm doing neither in my garage on a free weekend.
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From: NC
RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: tspence45
Some guys make it out to be quite a bit worse than that though and think that an LT1 has no chance in hell at keeping up with an LS1. A good driver with a 6speed LT1 with a few bolt-ons can run right with an auto 2.73 geared LS1. Not so much a 6speed or 3.23 geared auto LS1, but he could make it interesting with a 2.73 geared car.
Some guys make it out to be quite a bit worse than that though and think that an LT1 has no chance in hell at keeping up with an LS1. A good driver with a 6speed LT1 with a few bolt-ons can run right with an auto 2.73 geared LS1. Not so much a 6speed or 3.23 geared auto LS1, but he could make it interesting with a 2.73 geared car.
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RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: BicketyBam
The LT1 was an excellent engine for it's time and it can be modded to put up some very impressive N/A numbers. Good read right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine#LT1
I loved my 2000 Mustang GT, but it didn't take too long to figure out that in order to get any sort of power out of it, I had to slap a supercharger on it. Not so with the GM engines. My only bitch (if you want call it that) is that *some* GM guys act like cam/heads is a simple bolt on. To me, cam/heads on GM engines is like a supercharger on the Ford engines. I'm doing neither in my garage on a free weekend.
The LT1 was an excellent engine for it's time and it can be modded to put up some very impressive N/A numbers. Good read right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine#LT1
I loved my 2000 Mustang GT, but it didn't take too long to figure out that in order to get any sort of power out of it, I had to slap a supercharger on it. Not so with the GM engines. My only bitch (if you want call it that) is that *some* GM guys act like cam/heads is a simple bolt on. To me, cam/heads on GM engines is like a supercharger on the Ford engines. I'm doing neither in my garage on a free weekend.
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Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,879
From: Monmouth, IL
RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: BicketyBam
The LT1 was an excellent engine for it's time and it can be modded to put up some very impressive N/A numbers. Good read right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine#LT1
I loved my 2000 Mustang GT, but it didn't take too long to figure out that in order to get any sort of power out of it, I had to slap a supercharger on it. Not so with the GM engines. My only bitch (if you want call it that) is that *some* GM guys act like cam/heads is a simple bolt on. To me, cam/heads on GM engines is like a supercharger on the Ford engines. I'm doing neither in my garage on a free weekend.
The LT1 was an excellent engine for it's time and it can be modded to put up some very impressive N/A numbers. Good read right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine#LT1
I loved my 2000 Mustang GT, but it didn't take too long to figure out that in order to get any sort of power out of it, I had to slap a supercharger on it. Not so with the GM engines. My only bitch (if you want call it that) is that *some* GM guys act like cam/heads is a simple bolt on. To me, cam/heads on GM engines is like a supercharger on the Ford engines. I'm doing neither in my garage on a free weekend.
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Joined: May 2007
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From: Monmouth, IL
RE: LT1 FTL
ORIGINAL: S8ER01Z
Worse than that? does it get much worse? LOL...I loved my LT1 don't get me wrong but it took a number of bolt ons to make up the difference and the only way I could play up top was porting my heads.
ORIGINAL: tspence45
Some guys make it out to be quite a bit worse than that though and think that an LT1 has no chance in hell at keeping up with an LS1. A good driver with a 6speed LT1 with a few bolt-ons can run right with an auto 2.73 geared LS1. Not so much a 6speed or 3.23 geared auto LS1, but he could make it interesting with a 2.73 geared car.
Some guys make it out to be quite a bit worse than that though and think that an LT1 has no chance in hell at keeping up with an LS1. A good driver with a 6speed LT1 with a few bolt-ons can run right with an auto 2.73 geared LS1. Not so much a 6speed or 3.23 geared auto LS1, but he could make it interesting with a 2.73 geared car.
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From: CT
RE: LT1 FTL
Look at the cam package I am considering for my Z06. It's at the top of the page: http://www.thevettedoctors.com
[ul][*] Custom ground camshaft[*] Valve Springs & retainers[*] Callaway Air box[*] ARH Headers[*] Before dyno[*] After dyno & tune[*] 12/12 Warranty [/ul]$5500. Sound like a bargin? Sure there is a "Corvette" tax involved, but damn. That's not cheap.
[ul][*] Custom ground camshaft[*] Valve Springs & retainers[*] Callaway Air box[*] ARH Headers[*] Before dyno[*] After dyno & tune[*] 12/12 Warranty [/ul]$5500. Sound like a bargin? Sure there is a "Corvette" tax involved, but damn. That's not cheap.
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From: Monmouth, IL
RE: LT1 FTL
Not really a bargain, but yeah, Corvette tax and before and after dynoing with dyno tune isn't exactly cheap. I'm just going to get mine installed and then get a mail-order tune to hold me over for a while. The community college I'm going to next year for automotive classes has a dyno, so hopefully I'll be able to put it on there for free. I may even see if we can tackle the project of cam install for a class working project. That way I won't have to pay anything for labor. Then, I can also dyno before and after.
Also, you're getting headers and a new intake with all the labor mixed in. I don't know much about that brand of header, but they're for a Corvette and I've seen LT1 fbody headers that come close to a grand(stainless steel). I hear that header install is also a bitch. Don't know if it's as bad on Vettes as it is fbodies though. I'd say with all you're getting, it's not really too bad of a price. Especially with it being such a well-known place, you know that their labor rates probably won't be all that reasonable compared to your average shop.
Also, you're getting headers and a new intake with all the labor mixed in. I don't know much about that brand of header, but they're for a Corvette and I've seen LT1 fbody headers that come close to a grand(stainless steel). I hear that header install is also a bitch. Don't know if it's as bad on Vettes as it is fbodies though. I'd say with all you're getting, it's not really too bad of a price. Especially with it being such a well-known place, you know that their labor rates probably won't be all that reasonable compared to your average shop.