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Originally Posted by VanWilder
my car dyno'd at 280rwhp with only a tune/intake JLT and Bama 93 race which I was very disappointed with the #s it put down but then again I did run a 12.76 @ 108.88 with those #s...I dont see any stock camaros running that and they should have at least 100rwhp more than me...just something to think about with everybody saying any mustang will not keep up unless its blown

Whats their RWHP again?! Oh its around 360+...and thats best you can come up with?! Give me 360+ HP, which I should be pretty close to now, and see what I run!!

 

Oh yeah? Well give me 100 hp per liter! Or a twin turbo kit and naaaaws! Or a Saturn V rocket!
If my aunt had ***** she'd be my uncle. But she doesn't.

 

I'm just saying you guys are defending this car like its a god or something...its unbeatable especially by a mustang...it has 426hp and is only capable of running low 13s to high 12s...woohoo!!! with the same power these cars make stock I will run low 12s to high 11s...end of discussion...all in all in my opinion its not as great a car as you guys are making it out to be...its a "possible" high 12 second car that weighs close to 4000 pounds and is ugly with a cheap interior...sorry gm guys on this "Mustang Forum" but your 1998-2002 Camaros are ugly too...i mean come on its a catfish...the only thing they did good with that car is put a LS1 in it and they made it decently light which is not the case if this huge new design

 

Are they heavier than a Camaro should be? Yes. Did GM have the foresight to give it the power it would need to stay faster than the much lighter Mustang GT? Yes.
BTW where in Missouri do you live, anywhere near St. Louis?

 

would now be a good time to bring up the new edge that ran 12.1 @116 with a "cam only" or should i wait?

 

I don't doubt that, sounds reasonable. I raced a guy with a bolt-on (internally stock engine) new edge who ran 12.7.

 

uh... no we are not..you are posting BS and I'm posting proof that you are mistaken. It's 426hp and 38xxlbs... good, bad, whatever... it's still running those times.

And a foxbody will run 10s...WTF is your point? I really don't see a point here...I see an agenda but no point.

Who is making it out to be 'great'???

A couple have ran 12s stock... and they weigh 38xx~39xxlbs... ok. next.

Subjective... Why should I bother to entertain this? People exist who would bash on your Mustang until they run out of air to breath. Why is this even relevant?

If you remember right (well unless you are 16 or something) the 4th gen F-body was 'a tank' back in the day... they didn't make them light..they got heavier than the 3rd gen... as safety requirements change and 'must have' features change the cars get heavier... compare a foxbody to an SN95, New Edge, S197... We were blessed and cursed by the stagnent F-body changes year to year.... we didn't gain any weight but the car didn't get any better. Compare a 1993 Camaro versus a 2002... then compare a 1993 Mustang versus a 2002... If GM had done ANYTHING to the Camaro in that timespan we would have gain weight as well.

 

How am I posting BS?! My point is with the amount of power its not impressive and any lightly modded S197 could race one and beat one with about 100 hp less and only maybe 300lbs lighter


not quite but good try...



ummm all of you!! especially with the comments of the S197s wont stand a chance without

a blower...my point is that statement is wrong


oh sorry my "close to 4000lbs" wasnt correct in your 38xx~39xxlbs


and yes I do know some people hate the way the mustang looks or will bash it as well or whatever...thats why I started my statement with "in my opinion" pretty sure I have the right to state mine...btw why are you posting in a Mustang Forum?! just wondering...go back to ls1tech


Far from 16 but I agree with you about the model year changes but even in your sig:
2001 Z28 M6 - 13.1 @ 108mph 2.1 60ft / Bone Stock
3600lbs Race / 3440lbs Curb
322rwhp/341rwtrq (1LE Springs/FRA)

your cars curb weight is only 3440lbs... compared to the "close to 4000lbs" of the new thats pretty light...

 

I live about 3 hrs south or so in Springfield

 

The only thing that really got under my skin in this thread was the guy saying that an S197 needs a blower to keep up. That didn't help keep this a stock vs stock topic, nor is it even close to being true. Stock for stock, the Camaro is superior on a drag strip and a few other areas, period, no way around it. However, about the blower comment, it doesn't take anything more than the basic bolt ons, gear swap, and tune on the Stang to even the duel. Start arguing mod for mod, and it will be a never ending discussion.