procharger...skeptical
09-30-2006, 12:36 PM
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RE: procharger...skeptical
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Damn dude, you have FI radar?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Less than 15 minutes after Scrming posts this, and I follow up...you are on it like white on rice. LOL.
Ok, I don't know the dyno numbers, or the ET's on the 23psi run, I do know this. The car traps at 126MPH!!!!
ORIGINAL: TJ
Hey rygen wow I didn't know this could you tell some things.
How long have they been running 23psi?
How much rwhp & Tq?
What are the ET's?
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Good points John. On the PH V6 car, keep in mind it is a daily driver, and has now completed two track seasons under its belt with FI. I think the first track season was 12 and 14lbs and the second one they were messing with 23PSI. According to some, that motor should have popped by now. In fact, its daily driven by one of the relatives of a PH staff member to work, and on errands just to prove its reliability as a daily driver.
ORIGINAL: scrming
ummmmm... your wrong... Powerhouse has run all seaon on a stock 4.0L with their turbo and I believe most of the seaon was at like 23 PSI!!! It's all about the tune and what octance you are willing to run! I'm aware of 3 instances where pistons have failed. 2 of them were due so sheer GREED with the Nitrous and the other one was due to what was most likely a poor "canned" supercharger tune. (i highly recommend custom dyno tune if you go F/I). With a good tune and 91+ Octane our 4.0L will safely run 300+RWHP on a supercharger... The turbo guys are making even more HP and at less boost! Another example is the MRT Cherry 6T6... Twin Turbo with 7.5 PSI of boost putting down 350RWHP! Been running that way for over a year... on an all stock 4.0L!!! So dispite what some "article" have claimed the 4.0L is taking boost extremely well! Seem we are adding more boosted 4.0L's to the fold every week!!!
ORIGINAL: ThePointman
Hmm initial cost I get ... who the hell cares that they got beat by a V6? Like 1,000,000th of the population?, V6 have sold like wildfire cause they are cheap ;-) 1 triillion dolllars err.... wrong movie, but seriously everyone knows that the stock V6 block, pistons etc ... will not take any serious consistent pounding right? You beat on it and it WILL blow up just ask the yellow guy ... Great Car though I LOVE mine.
Hmm initial cost I get ... who the hell cares that they got beat by a V6? Like 1,000,000th of the population?, V6 have sold like wildfire cause they are cheap ;-) 1 triillion dolllars err.... wrong movie, but seriously everyone knows that the stock V6 block, pistons etc ... will not take any serious consistent pounding right? You beat on it and it WILL blow up just ask the yellow guy ... Great Car though I LOVE mine.
ummmmm... your wrong... Powerhouse has run all seaon on a stock 4.0L with their turbo and I believe most of the seaon was at like 23 PSI!!! It's all about the tune and what octance you are willing to run! I'm aware of 3 instances where pistons have failed. 2 of them were due so sheer GREED with the Nitrous and the other one was due to what was most likely a poor "canned" supercharger tune. (i highly recommend custom dyno tune if you go F/I). With a good tune and 91+ Octane our 4.0L will safely run 300+RWHP on a supercharger... The turbo guys are making even more HP and at less boost! Another example is the MRT Cherry 6T6... Twin Turbo with 7.5 PSI of boost putting down 350RWHP! Been running that way for over a year... on an all stock 4.0L!!! So dispite what some "article" have claimed the 4.0L is taking boost extremely well! Seem we are adding more boosted 4.0L's to the fold every week!!!
Good points John. On the PH V6 car, keep in mind it is a daily driver, and has now completed two track seasons under its belt with FI. I think the first track season was 12 and 14lbs and the second one they were messing with 23PSI. According to some, that motor should have popped by now. In fact, its daily driven by one of the relatives of a PH staff member to work, and on errands just to prove its reliability as a daily driver.
Hey rygen wow I didn't know this could you tell some things.
How long have they been running 23psi?
How much rwhp & Tq?
What are the ET's?
Ok, I don't know the dyno numbers, or the ET's on the 23psi run, I do know this. The car traps at 126MPH!!!!
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, how long has he been racing the car running 23 psi and or just shop (simulated racing on a dyno ) testing ?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I mean this is BIG news if he is running it at the track at 23psi on a stock block!
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
09-30-2006, 12:52 PM
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RE: procharger...skeptical
ORIGINAL: TJ
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
09-30-2006, 01:09 PM
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RE: procharger...skeptical
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Ok, a few things to consider. Comparing PHP to the PH car is kinda hard to do because of the following:
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
ORIGINAL: TJ
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
Well all I can say is this is BIG news if he is running and racing the car at 23psi on a stock block!!!
I mean BIG esp for members consider on FI right now we need some facts ET's, rwhp & TQ ,is this on a stock block, and how long have they been running and racing it at 23 psi ??We need details as you like to to say.
If you could find out and post back for us this would be GREAT!!!
I mean I wouldn't run 23 psi but this would be very helpful for us deciding on what to run 10.11, 12 psi etc in our own decision.
If he is trapping at 126 mph he should be in the 10's!!!
That would put him as the fastest shop owned V6 out!!!
09-30-2006, 01:27 PM
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RE: procharger...skeptical
ORIGINAL: TJ
Well all I can say is this is BIG news if he is running and racing the car at 23psi on a stock block!!!
I mean BIG esp for members consider on FI right now we need some facts ET's, rwhp & TQ ,is this on a stock block, and how long have they been running and racing it at 23 psi ??We need details as you like to to say.
If you could find out and post back for us this would be GREAT!!!
I mean I wouldn't run 23 psi but this would be very helpful for us deciding on what to run 10.11, 12 psi etc in our own decision.
If he is trapping at 126 mph he should be in the 10's!!!
That would put him as the fastest shop owned V6 out!!!
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Ok, a few things to consider. Comparing PHP to the PH car is kinda hard to do because of the following:
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
ORIGINAL: TJ
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
Well all I can say is this is BIG news if he is running and racing the car at 23psi on a stock block!!!
I mean BIG esp for members consider on FI right now we need some facts ET's, rwhp & TQ ,is this on a stock block, and how long have they been running and racing it at 23 psi ??We need details as you like to to say.
If you could find out and post back for us this would be GREAT!!!
I mean I wouldn't run 23 psi but this would be very helpful for us deciding on what to run 10.11, 12 psi etc in our own decision.
If he is trapping at 126 mph he should be in the 10's!!!
That would put him as the fastest shop owned V6 out!!!
10-01-2006, 07:46 PM
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RE: procharger...skeptical
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
They were running C16 fuel as well.
ORIGINAL: TJ
Well all I can say is this is BIG news if he is running and racing the car at 23psi on a stock block!!!
I mean BIG esp for members consider on FI right now we need some facts ET's, rwhp & TQ ,is this on a stock block, and how long have they been running and racing it at 23 psi ??We need details as you like to to say.
If you could find out and post back for us this would be GREAT!!!
I mean I wouldn't run 23 psi but this would be very helpful for us deciding on what to run 10.11, 12 psi etc in our own decision.
If he is trapping at 126 mph he should be in the 10's!!!
That would put him as the fastest shop owned V6 out!!!
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Ok, a few things to consider. Comparing PHP to the PH car is kinda hard to do because of the following:
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
ORIGINAL: TJ
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
I have lot of things and questions that are racing through my mind right now maybe you could help me out and fill in some blanks, has he raced the car running 23 psi or just shop testing on a dyno?
The reason I ask is Pauls high Performance is runnning low around 11'30's and has the fastest shop owned V6 on record you would think Powerhouse running at 23psi would be the fastest at 23 psi???.
I know of course powerhouse was running 11.80's on 12 psi then I heard testing at 14 psi also heard new ET of 11.50's.
If you know he is trapping at 126 mph how come not the ET then?
I am not trying to be offensive just serious questions I have esp since I am looking into FI.
PHP
1. Running dual power adders, Boost and Nitrous (Zex)
2. Running slicks
3. AC removed, seats removed, not sure what else, but car is track only
PH
1. Full street trim
2. Single power adder
3. Running DR's
The 126MPH is a track trap speed, now in the back of mind, I cant remember if its 123 or 126, but either way for a 6 that is just plain insane. On the ET, they have to post it, they only told me the MPH. They were having clutch issues with the V6 car, which I think are now resolved. I'll see if I can get you an ET, I also heard of new ET's like you, but would rather see them post it.
Well all I can say is this is BIG news if he is running and racing the car at 23psi on a stock block!!!
I mean BIG esp for members consider on FI right now we need some facts ET's, rwhp & TQ ,is this on a stock block, and how long have they been running and racing it at 23 psi ??We need details as you like to to say.
If you could find out and post back for us this would be GREAT!!!
I mean I wouldn't run 23 psi but this would be very helpful for us deciding on what to run 10.11, 12 psi etc in our own decision.
If he is trapping at 126 mph he should be in the 10's!!!
That would put him as the fastest shop owned V6 out!!!
Thanks for any help,
Mike
p.s.-thanks to everyone who posted all the information, has been a big help.
10-01-2006, 08:28 PM
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10-01-2006, 08:49 PM
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RE: procharger...skeptical
Doesn't matter anyway, plan on starting to save now hopefully have enough to buy it next summer.
-Mike