ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

it's not the gearing im talking about, bscottie has an open diff and he ran a 13.2. Now, that is the best yet we have seen from the x-charger, but how long did it take for vortech to break into the twelves after numerous cars running the hi-po kit not getting there WITH a locker/lsd. Aren't you the only vortech in the 12's? I also beleive (im not positive) that nav's 13.6 was on an open diff...? not sure. You were also running an off-road y pipe in that 12 sec run were you not? I understand your whole argument, but i think you are still making a bit of an unfair comparison and with the fact that the x-charger is still getting much, much better times at the track than it was before, i beleive he bscottie will hit 12's without a doubt. You have to remember driving ability and everything involved. I also think talking about how x-charger is more expensive and puts down worse times is kinda lame...look at the procharger vs the vortech. The procharger is about the same price, yet i think it was ummm rainbow (can't remember, but you probably know who) ran a 12.8 on the stock pirrelis from the pony package with the procharger...that's better than any vortech time on street rubber i think. That doesn't make the vortech a worse system at all. Hell, the few other people on here running the HO vortech are not running 12's, they are mostly running close to the hi-po system times. After the info i have read about the x and what i have learned in this thread, it is a pretty damn good system if mid 13's is what you're looking for. They are obviously attainable with the system, the system is extremely simple with no piping or anything, is supposedly extremely responsive, and easy to install, and really, if you take price of install with other systems it is about the same price. I just think the 13.2 on an open diff is VERY close to what you ran a few times with your set up with a trac loc, that it is a drivers race if he got a locker or lsd. Again this is just my opinion, but i think so far the facts are there to say that the x is a contender with the centri's....maybe not the turbo.

ORIGINAL: fazm

If you wanna talk 60' ive cut multuple 1.9 60' and im n/a still.

last friday at the track i cut a 1.898 to prove a 1.8 60' was possible n/a, but it cost me.

Ocd03gro the conversation with John and I you quoted talking gears & t-lok was about 60’comparisons per low end torque we weren’t talking gearing per ¼ mile ET’s.

Just for the record also when anyone installs gears a T-lok/LSD is also installed. No one here has just installed gears and not a T/lok/TT LSD that I know so when I talk gears that includes a T-lok or TT I assumed you knew that.

For the record I am pretty sure Nav’s has 373’s and LSD but someone else can confirm that.

Just posting the above so there is no misunderstanding on my quotes you posted.

ORIGINAL: fazm

thanks but in hindsight i wish i wouldnt have launched that hard.

timeslip database
http://american-speed.com/collective...Bsessionurl%5D

about my friday night track trip
http://american-speed.com/collective...ead.php?t=4605

ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

that doesn't change what i said at all...i know for a fact bscottie has an open diff meaning no lsd or locker. What i was saying about nav is i think his 13.6 run was before his rearend work, but i wasn't sure. I agree that i don't think anyone on here has installed gears without putting in a locker/lsd, but it is possible...that has nothing to do with what i was saying tho...[&:]

ORIGINAL: scrming

Actually Nav has as much track time, if not more than me! I went to the track in July for the FFW and then I didn go again until October... I was collecting car show trophys while Nav was collecting track trophies!!! LOL!

Now... lets look at Nav's sig:
06 V6 Premium Screaming Yellow, Auto, X-Charger Tuned By Bamachips, Magnaflow Axleback Exhaust, Richmond 3.73's & Trak Lok, Powerhouse CHE LCA's, Powerhouse Aluminum Driveshaft & Safety Loop, Powerhouse CHE Adjustable Panhard Bar, LPW Girdle, Line Lock. 1/4 mile 13.64@ 99.8 MPH

He actually has about the same exact mods! LOL! He's got the PH driveshaft... I've got the heavy stock DS... LOL! Ok... so he upgrades to the hi-po kit and runs 13.0 to 13.2... maybe even 12.99... I simply swap out my stock 3.25 pulley for the2.87 sitting right here on my desk and now i've dropped probably close to .2 on my ET... my boost now comes on a bit earlier and my 60' gets even better... Sorry... but I think the x-charger will always be 1 step behind...