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so a 200 amp 12v motor, wouldnt a gear reduction box enable you to cut that amp number down to lets say 25 amps? i know a decent stereo system pulls way more than that (the 800 watt rms kicker amp i have has 2 or 3 40 amp fuses on it) also i dont even think a Y pipe would be needed, just plumb the CAI right into the turbo. of course, if we're talking about a REAL turbo housing being used, im sure there are decent costs in that unit itself. then again, even if a system such as this cost the same as a normal turbo setup, it would outperform it because of the lack of an intercooler needed (should shave $$ off the price too) and it could be controlled electronically to work in harmony with the rest of the fuel injection / ignition systems.

if we could figure this out, maybe a company like brenspeed could actually produce it and they'd sell like hotcakes

 

I copied this off an Ebay topic:


This is going to be a very short guide since one needs to know little more than some simple math to know whether what you're about to buy is a scam or not.

I'm going to do the conversions to cubic inches/feet for reasons we will see later.

So let's say that we want to boost a 2.0 liter engine. Two liters equals about 122 cubic inches. Now to convert to cubic feet we need to divide by 1728(12 inches x 12 inches x 12 inches) to get 0.0706(approximately) cubic feet. That's how much air/fuel that the engine displaces per complete engine revolution. Now most engines will idle around 600 rpm so we multiply 0.0706(cubic feet per revolution) by 600(revolutions per minute) to get 42.36 cubic feet per minute.

Now we come to the reason why I used cubic feet instead of cubic inches: fans/blowers are measured in cubic feet per minute(CFM). So just to maintain an idle speed for a 2 liter engine you need an electric blower that can provide 42 cubic feet per minute. Now if your engine is moving at 3000rpm you know you need at least 210 CFM and I say at least because to provide a "turbo" you need to provide more air than you displace to create actual pressure, I'm going to avoid the calculations for this because at this point you basically have all you need to know since either the "turbo" provides enough air or it doesn't.

Now that you have the knowledge that you need a certain CFM(at least) you can ask the seller what the average and max CFM of the "electric turbo" they are offering and know for certain whether it is real. If they won't tell you, shop elsewhere.
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Isnt that the thing they use to pump out water from small boats? LOL

 

I think this is a very interesting topic. I am one of those people that will try something new and not talk down on a idea that isnt proven right or wrong yet. After all, thats how new technology is made.

Pictutre a procharger kit bolted up on the engine the exact same way as normal. Then get rid of the drive belt system that uses the engines power, and replace that with a one belt drive from a good size electric motor. The speeds can be adjusted by the different size pullies (big turning small or small truning big). The electric motor can be controlled the same way that an electric car is controlled to vary its speed. There would be a lot more to this kind of technology to make it work, but there are some important advantages.

An electic motor does not have to spool up like a gas engine does. The electic motor can make max power much faster with more torque down low. This will provide max boost sooner and more instantaniously.

Since the system is not directly related and controlled by the engine, boost can be ready at anytime for the engine. The electic motor can have full boost being produced (if desired) while just idling. The air can be vented out of the system untill the engine is ready for it. Lets say you go from idle to WOT while the s/c is making full bost....can you imagine?? This would almost act as lets say.. a nitrous kit...The engien can run with or without it. Turn it on or turn it off kind of thing. When its armed the system can possiblybe programed to adjust air/fuel/timing on its own.

Now if a system like this was ever produced, it will most likely cost more then a regular kit, and it will probably weigh more. But, it would still be cool. The technology of s/c's and turbos hasn't changed much in a long time...TVs were the same for a long time...now look at them now....Times are changing...old school meets new school meets tomorrow...

 

Now I'm not here to try and disclaim what your saying, hell you might be 300% correct. I just find it hard to believe that a car would even accept 210 CFM of air. My thoughts are passed on my profession. I'm a City Firefighter in PA. We have a CAFS (Compressed Air Foam System) on our one rig. The air is created through a twin screw compressor that is rated at 200 CFM. The amount of shear air that the engine creates is incredible. We have attachmetns for it called Air Knife's basically for trench rescue to bust up the earth and use in conjunction with a vac truck to take it away....but anyway with the basically an air nozzle on the end of a hose attached to the pump pannel we can dig earth hard compacted earth at about 6 inch clips. It's quite impressive. On another note with 200CFM you can also fill up 1000 Feet of 5 inch diameter hose, for use in river rescue and booming of haz mat in the rivers.

So anyway back to the topic here a bit, 200+ CFM in a cars intake system is incredible. But I'm just learnign alot about this new car and how it works, so I may be wrong, way wrong, but I'm here for education......bottom line is that's alot of air for my mind to believe an engine can take.

 

nick, your onto something definately... im tellin ya i think its very possible

 

Exactly! Anybody with half a brain could easily see that that "fan" simply cannot move, nevermind compress, any amount of air, anywhere near a regular supercharger, or turbocharger! In fact, these bozos selling this crap should be stopped for false advertising at the least, or when it is proved their "product" does not work, they should have to refund every customer!

ALSO: That looks like a FAN, not a COMPRESSOR, what real superchargers are anyway. Unless that is a centrifugal compressor (like a Paxton, etc) then its not going to do anything, and in fact, looks like a huge restriction, if anything, even if its on. Also, that elec motor is not spinning anywhere near the speed that it needs to be to work, assuming it is direct drive. (And I don't see a gear speed increaser there either.) Also, if it was, you would need more than one impeller for multi staging to have the desired amount of compression (Which I seriously doubt!)

For example, I work on centrifugal chillers (HVAC) at work. They might be electric driven, but the motor is spinning at 1750 rpm. It is connected to a gear set that increses the speed of that impeller in the compressor to roughly 16,000 rpm!!! Thats what moves and compresses the needed cfm of air needed for a successful supercharger.

 

accidental repost, sorry!

 

Jim, have you read through this post? We're way beyond that.

 

Well, actually, you're not! Its a FAN, so forget the wacky scenario/theories with amps, and volts, etc, etc. it WON'T work!

I guess you're a moderator, too, sorry, I won't post anymore on this, I promise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!