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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 01:16 AM
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Can somebody tell me whay the saleen HID's are better then the Mustangs? And why there is a huge difference between in price. Also i saw a GT500 with them. Does anybody know the quality that those are going to.
There isn't a huge difference in price, if anything they are the same price. The Saleen HIDs look better, use better lighting technology, have a more attractive beam color, and accept aftermarket bulbs.

Gt500 lights are the same as GT lights besides the housing.
Not saying that your not right but how do you know that the GT500 lights are the same as the GT's? where are you getting your resources?
The beam reflector etc look exactaly the same, obviously it doesn't bolt in, but it it looks the same when turned on, AND it uses a exact copy of the GT light reflector so then it probably is the same system.

It is the same bro.
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 02:20 AM
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Sorry I don't know how to copy and paste like that lol. And I just realized it's Kelvin, not Kelvar. Was thinking of bullet proof vests for some reason.
Kelvin is the rating, but yes the Ford ones are a greenish color and the saleen ones are blue-purple white
Actually my Ford HID's are blue-white. I don't see any shade of green coming from mine.
Old Apr 6, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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So if I would go with this mod, would I get the Ford HIDs or the Saleens HIDs?
Old Apr 6, 2008 | 11:17 PM
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Depends what your car looks like, stangaddiction, look again the ford HIDs are green.
Old Apr 7, 2008 | 03:36 AM
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Legion5, what you are saying makes no sense. How would the discharge color of your headlights depend on what your car looks like? Are you talking about the bulb housing being green? If not, how would you expect to see a green discharge?

The first question to ask would be, what is the corresponding color-temperature for the bulbs in question? Because we are talking about OEM reflector bowl based HIDs, and not color modified projector based HIDs, or aftermarket HID kits, I would guess that their corresponding color-temp would be between 4100k and 5800k. 4100k is the best balance between light output and pure white, and is most often seen in OEM applications. With any decrease in corresponding color temperature, and you would expect to see yellow, not green. With an increase in corresponding color temp, you expect to see more blue and then up to purple at 12000k. 6000k is a good compromise between good light output and color output, with just a slight blue hue. And anyway, after about 100hours of use (of the expected 2000-2500 hour lifespan), you would expect the bulbs to wear in and see more blue in the color output. Not green.
I guess I am just having a hard time believing that the Ford HIDs are green. It just doesn't make any sense. Aside from the bulb differences between Saleen and Ford HIDs, what other differences are there? Both have integrated cutoffs in the reflector bowl which allow the function of both low beam and high beam in one bowl. What differences are there in ballast technology if any? How could there be enough of a difference between the two, for one to produce green light and the other to produce white/blue?

So unless you can prove otherwise, I'm going to go ahead and call BS

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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Legion5, what you are saying makes no sense. How would the discharge color of your headlights depend on what your car looks like?
It doesn't, I'm saying that what you see might be affected by the color of your car, the greenish white might come off blue of your car is legend lime for example as it's so faint. I have a friend who installed a set of redish HID's on his red supra and they look 100% white looking directly at them...

Are you talking about the bulb housing being green? If not, how would you expect to see a green discharge?
No buddy they're green light.

The first question to ask would be, what is the corresponding color-temperature for the bulbs in question? Because we are talking about OEM reflector bowl based HIDs, and not color modified projector based HIDs, or aftermarket HID kits, I would guess that their corresponding color-temp would be between 4100k and 5800k. 4100k is the best balance between light output and pure white, and is most often seen in OEM applications. With any decrease in corresponding color temperature, and you would expect to see yellow, not green. With an increase in corresponding color temp, you expect to see more blue and then up to purple at 12000k. 6000k is a good compromise between good light output and color output, with just a slight blue hue. And anyway, after about 100hours of use (of the expected 2000-2500 hour lifespan), you would expect the bulbs to wear in and see more blue in the color output. Not green.
I guess I am just having a hard time believing that the Ford HIDs are green. It just doesn't make any sense. Aside from the bulb differences between Saleen and Ford HIDs, what other differences are there? Both have integrated cutoffs in the reflector bowl which allow the function of both low beam and high beam in one bowl. What differences are there in ballast technology if any? How could there be enough of a difference between the two, for one to produce green light and the other to produce white/blue?
the ballast is the same between both just put to different settings, but it's obvious you understand nothing about hid technology when you're saying the bowl or the ballast will make a difference. The fords are 4100k HIDs.

So unless you can prove otherwise, I'm going to go ahead and call BS

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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 12:33 PM
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Do you mean green as in greenpower? below is from osram website

Green light for mercury-free XENARC!
With the D3 HID headlight system OSRAMAutomotive Lighting is the world's first supplier of an entirely mercury-free HID system comprising of lamp and control gear. XENARC D3 and D4 light sources introduce a range of environmentally friendly, mercury-free products that still offer all the advantages of OSRAM's existing XENARClamps. The light output and colour of XENARC D3 and D4 are comparable to mercury containing D1 and D2 types. As the mercury is replaced by zinc iodide in the new XENARCsystem, a later separate waste disposal is no longer necessary.
Old Apr 7, 2008 | 12:44 PM
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Are we talking about the light that's useful to the driver (i.e. light that's being reflected off various objects, some of which might be white) or some combination of direct and reflected light that some observer might see? Might be worth knowing whether the specific observer has any known color-blindnesses.

All I see from the driver's seat with the Ford HIDs is white light, very close to the same color as the Silverstars and Silverstar Ultras that I have in other cars and slightly 'whiter' than XtraVisions. But I suppose that a bulb that's somehow out-of-spec could cast light that's above the white light limits in the chart I linked earlier and give a pale greenish cast. Not quite sure how that would physically be accomplished, though.


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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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I'm not really into that color crap, I just want to know if the ford or saleen HIDs are pure white without any coloring. IMO the color schemes on HIDs blind people driving on the opposite side of the road. I don't want to blind people lol.
Old Apr 7, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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either one will be fine. I'd just purchase the cheapest.
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