Just do an oil analysis so you can type with facts please; also stop saying this is the last time you will post you have done that on every post you have made. It is getting old already. Post facts please, direct literature not a little story.

Andrew

 

What more do you want? i have stated my case get an oil analysis and do whatever you want. It is your engine if you want ford to tell you to use 5w-30 well they wont because of cafe standards.

Andrew

 

I've even heard that the high moly content of Redline is bad for our cars. lol!

 

I dont know about that but the 2 piece crimped spark plug design (which they switched back to original style halfway thru 2007 production) I believe that was more of a business move more than anything else. Ford owns autolite, having a specific style of plug that only autolite makes would be considered a smart business move dont you think?? Come on people see the entire picture, all the decisions are made because of $.

Andrew

 

Thanks man! I am just telling them just to do an oil analysis for themselves and to come to a decision by themselves. It is impressive how much false information is out there..

Andrew

 

You will read about every product that it causes something bad and this and that. The problem is when there are discussions like this one when one is posting real data, facts and analysis typically the other side since they can't prove their point or anything will start spreading false information and so on. Always look for the root of the story and such and who found it. Personally I dont believe anything that is funded by a manufacturer, supplier or anything like that. I just believe in what the end users such as yourself and me have experienced and have tested.

Andrew

 

I for one actually learned something from this argument here. Interesting, still haven't made up my mind what I should use, 5w-20 or 10w-30 (I live somewhere cold). Guess I'll do that oil analysis.

 

Qusus I would recomend a 10w-30 for winter and going for something with a lighter cold crank once the temps go down. I suggest a 5w-30 though and it depends very much also on how you hit your engine.

Andrew

 

I dont need to do an oil analysis. An oil analysis does nothing to protect your warranty.

I would love to let this thread die, but you again post deceptive and misinformation each time while adding a few more insults along the way. Is this how you treat people in real life? Would you hurl the insults you have here face to face? This is classic Amsoil through and through. You should consider becoming a dealer because you have the racket down pat.

Hopefully readers here will see exactly why so many avoid Amsoil and their sleazy business practices. You have articulated the expected double talk and marketing hype perfectly...the lieing to the dealer to fix your blown motor was a new one though. Excellent representation. Go back and read the thread from the beginning and you cover the marketing bases from A-Z

You said you wanted facts? Here they are:

[ul][*]No oil made by Amsoil is acceptable (per Ford) under our S197's warranty stipulations. To say different is wrong and a lie. Plain and simple.[*]Ford can deny warranty coverage for use of a non API certified oil. They have done it before and will do it again. You can take this one up with the lawyer (early int he thread) if you want more information.[*]Amsoil did (and still does) use fake API certification symbols (Google "fake Amsoil API").[*]Only the XL oil is API certified and XL does not meet the S197 oil specifications set by Ford.[*]I (as me personally) was denied warranty coverage for using Amsoil in lieu of the manufacturer specified oil. To say otherwise is also wrong and a lie and frankly your comments each time regarding this are insulting and demeaning.[*]Amsoil did nothing to address my problem even after notified via my attorney.[*]There are literally dozens of oils available that are both API certified and meet Ford's S197 specifications.[/ul]So there you have it. The facts that are appropriate to this thread.

There is one riddle that I would like you to address since you seem to be in the know:

Amsoil clearly states that if API certifications are required for warranty retention to use the XL oil. See this link (question 1) on Amsoil's website:

http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/article_xl7500.aspx

If the Magnuson Moss Act was so powerful, why did they pursue API certification? Why do they make specific reference to using the XL oil if warranty was a concern? It makes zero sense. You told us the MMA does not require use of a API certified oil...but here Amsoil states otherwise. XL should not need API certification as its use would be similar to the other oils...but they did certify it. Confused? I am.

Lastly, Androz, I certainly dont mind civil and informed debate...that is why these forums are here. But you come across as a pretentious know it all, quick to jump on anyone that disagrees with you. Feel free to respond to the above posted facts. If Amsoil has recently (as of today or yesterday) had some oils certified by the API or the XLs now meet Ford's design sped, please let us know. Since you are not me...you cannot really comment on my warranty experience.

For those that are using Amsoil and happy...rock on. For those on the fence...go back a few posts and Google the keywords I listed and take 10-15 minutes and look at the company behind the man here. Androz does indeed do a fine job representing Amsoil. That I can say without a doubt.

No I am REALLY out. I am leaving for vacation...now...

 

#1 sure you are leaving for vacation. Can you post any proof of your denial? The mognison act protects the after market community I can attest that thanks to my exhaust. #2 you still have not posted any real facts or anything about your claim. First you said because it was not gf-4 certified and thats why. You have done a fine job at promoting false information. Like I said do an oil analysis and see what happens. Either case what are you going to do after the warranty is gone with all that extra wear and tear?? Dont try to compare a transmission to an engine. I am pretty much sure your transmission coverage was denied by something other than the fluid lol. I am pretty damn sure you had to neutral->drive it at 4k rpms or some nooblar stuff like that to really break it so that they will start asking all this questions. I really doubt your claim that it was denied coverage because of the fluid. That is just absurd lol, they would see what usual burnt clutches nothing a rebuild kit couldn't take care of. You are blaming amsoil for a transmission failure that you most likely caused yourself.

I posted:
#1 the link from the ENGINEER THAT DESIGNED THE 4.6 3V
#2 oil recommendations by saleen/roush
#3 a oil analysis which showed the oil you are recommending (motorcraft 5w-20) break-up and cause premature wear and tear
#4 Other things here and there but all backed up with facts and data

While you have what? I have asked for proof or anything that might prove your case; which you should have plenty off. Why?? Because there is a law that states that if you are going to deny a service to a person that they already had and both parties have agreed to you must do it so by writing. Please post the paper where they said they are going to deny coverage because you used the wrong fluid.

BTW I use redline on all my fluids and I think it is the best but I also acknowledge that amsoil is pretty good also. For me the top three are: 1 redline 2. amsoil 3. mobil1 (best mainstream synthetic hands down) Oh and just for giggles the reason why amsoil or redline "racing oils" dont pass the api is because the level of ZDDP exceeds the API limits which result in too much phospherus. Which in turn used to kill cats on cars pre-2002 or so. So if you are going to talk something atleast get educated on the matter.

Andrew