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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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The problem with the Shelby drop was that the ball joints could bind and breal, that's why they have wedge spacers now, so you can lower the upper a-arm 1 3/4" and place the wedge spacer and have the balljoint sitting at the factory angle
Ball joint bind is at the 1 3/4 drop. I would believe someone if they said Shelby didn't want to fix that prob so he only used the 1 inch drop.

Still need tech on "shelby stopped doing this drop becasue it cost more money for upgraded ball joints" but it seems a bit like a moot point anyway.
Old Aug 3, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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I never heard he stopped doing it because of cost. The only problem I was aware of was that the drop with nothing else could cause the ball joints to bind, evenin a 1" drop if there was excessive enough suspension travel. I have heard Shelby originally did a 1.5" drop but breakage became an issue, so he went to a 1" drop instead.
Old Aug 4, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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I think Torsen only makes diffs for the 8.8, and the 9(and a few of the 4 bangers too). And yeah, theirs are all mechanical, but a LOT of mechanical, they have a crapload of parts in them. They use a complex set of worm gears and other gears to set a preload and tense wheel torque. They work, but they're heavy and complicated. Pretty trick setup though
Ever hear of Audi-Quatro? Torsen. AM Gereral, Torsen. SS Camaro, Torsen. Ferrarri, Torsen. The last turbo RX-7, Torsen. All made by Gleasman Gear in Rochester,, NY. And if you look at the worm gear set-up it has fewer parts than a clutch pack.They don't 'set a preload' either. There are no clutches so you don't have a pre-load. If you Google it there is a very good explination on a sight. I'll try and find it for you after I have breakfast.
I tried to buy one for a 9" a few years back and was told by Gleasman that Strange or Currie had bought ALL patent rights to the 9" version and the unit cost $1800.00. This was quite a shock as back in 1983 Ford was going to list them in the 1984 Hi-Po parts catolog for about $450.00.

Try this site: members.rennlist.com/951_racerx/PS84gleason.
Old Aug 4, 2007 | 09:53 AM
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Description of the T2-R, taken in part from here

The TORSEN T2-R takes the T-2's performance to the next level. By combining the patented Equvex gearing from the Torsen T-2 with a coil spring pre-load and/or friction enhancing plates, the Torsen T-2R can remain locked, providing torque to both wheels, under low torque inputs. The addition of the friction plates allows the Torque Bias Ratio(TBR) to be tailored to differential design needs. These features allow improved mobility and traction under extreme conditions. In addition, it is compatible with electronic traction control, providing the ultimate in traction management systems.



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Old Aug 4, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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I remember reading about the T-2R before and being able to set the initial pre-load to have a different bias, but I think that's the only model they have like that. It's a trick setup, if not pricey
Old Aug 4, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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Ackerman on trucks/SUV's is more likely the cause for tire squeal than limited slip differentials. Unless you're running a locker, the diff will slip without a generous application of the throttle to lock it up.
Old Aug 4, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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Ackerman on trucks/SUV's is more likely the cause for tire squeal than limited slip differentials. Unless you're running a locker, the diff will slip without a generous application of the throttle to lock it up.
God...someone who knows what Ackerman is. Thank you...for restoring my confidence in car guys.
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