V6 or V8
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HEy fine, i dont care about mustang GTs man, you think i'm some sort of ford fan beehotch? Fine, lets talk about LS1s and LT1s. Lets talk about the Vipers and the Vettes. I like all V8s. I'm fine with GM. Even MOPAR. Everything else imo doesn't compare. especially not no V6 mustang.
You do know when you add forced induction, your basically adding displacement.. when boost is applied, the equations change.. But no matter what, you can always boost an engine with bigger displacement.
As far as why i bought it, it is modding potentiol. SEe, about your V6.. the one your about to boost. Let me tell you something you may not of known about it.. It will NEVER be a v8, and your car with all it's mods right now, even with your 3:73s couldn't TOUCH my POS 00 STOCK! Do you really think lb for lb your 4.0L six could even TOUCH me?
It's simple math.. there is just NO way you can spend the same amount of money to be as fast as i am. Especially not in a Ford v6. I've NEVER with my own 2 eyes seen a fast 6 cyl mustang. 11 seconds is not fast. Remember, a 4,000 dollar 95 camaro with drag radials and gears would keep up with your multi thousand dollar modded, boosted 4.0L 6.
And most importantly, i mean come on..lets be honest... Have you ever HEARD a Ford V8? a modular engine with O/R H and Chambered mufflers? OR even better yet, a 302 or 302 variant with H and flows? pure SEX.. i mean that alone right there is more than enoguh reason to get the 6. Don't you ever wish your car would sound like that? when i drive the sound brings chills up my spine.
When i'm at the track and my exhaust is resonating off the walls and i see the tire smoke behind me the thoughts of all those fast V6s are out of my mind. I'd rather drive a 12 second Camaro than a 11 second V6.
You do know when you add forced induction, your basically adding displacement.. when boost is applied, the equations change.. But no matter what, you can always boost an engine with bigger displacement.
As far as why i bought it, it is modding potentiol. SEe, about your V6.. the one your about to boost. Let me tell you something you may not of known about it.. It will NEVER be a v8, and your car with all it's mods right now, even with your 3:73s couldn't TOUCH my POS 00 STOCK! Do you really think lb for lb your 4.0L six could even TOUCH me?
It's simple math.. there is just NO way you can spend the same amount of money to be as fast as i am. Especially not in a Ford v6. I've NEVER with my own 2 eyes seen a fast 6 cyl mustang. 11 seconds is not fast. Remember, a 4,000 dollar 95 camaro with drag radials and gears would keep up with your multi thousand dollar modded, boosted 4.0L 6.
And most importantly, i mean come on..lets be honest... Have you ever HEARD a Ford V8? a modular engine with O/R H and Chambered mufflers? OR even better yet, a 302 or 302 variant with H and flows? pure SEX.. i mean that alone right there is more than enoguh reason to get the 6. Don't you ever wish your car would sound like that? when i drive the sound brings chills up my spine.
When i'm at the track and my exhaust is resonating off the walls and i see the tire smoke behind me the thoughts of all those fast V6s are out of my mind. I'd rather drive a 12 second Camaro than a 11 second V6.
Last edited by Jbauer; Dec 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM.
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IIRC, they both use a 9.3:1 CR. also you can easily get away with less then 3 grand on a blower for ~350 rwhp on a split port, or if your smart enough to build your own turbo kit you can easily get 400 rwhp for 3 grand. not really anymore then a GT. and im not arguing with you over the V8 thing, im arguing the get a GT, 4V FTW
"for every sixer Mustang that is worth a crap, there is 100,000 more V8 mustangs that will destroy it"
and thats actually a sad truth, no one builds V-6 cars, but in reality the parts for them are slotted right between a 5.0 and 4.6 cost wise there are about 15 really BUILT v6 cars out there over 500 HP, no one has even reached the limits of the stock block or crank in these motors, (fords motor is actually better then buicks, they used an on-center block and aluminum heads, and they dont split at ~450 hp liek the 5.0s)
theres lots of factors, what is a "fast" car? what is a "daily driver" car, whats a "reliable" car. cause in some cases its not always go V-8, i know what i wanted to build, a blown and cammed car, i wanted ~400-420 RWHP, with the same for torque, i want it to be a DD if it has to be, and be reliable, so thats what convinced me to start my build, i dont need 700 rwhp for the street. well cams for a 4.6 are upward of a grand, for that price i can do heads and a cam in my car, and a m112 kit for $2800, which is cheaper then a procharger or I/C vortech for a GT. i should be at my goal for less then 10k, motor, blower, detroit (yes im keeping the 7.5) shift kit, tranny cooler, maybe a stall... if i were to go v8, it would be either a termy or id do almost anything for an azure blue mach :drool:
"for every sixer Mustang that is worth a crap, there is 100,000 more V8 mustangs that will destroy it"
and thats actually a sad truth, no one builds V-6 cars, but in reality the parts for them are slotted right between a 5.0 and 4.6 cost wise there are about 15 really BUILT v6 cars out there over 500 HP, no one has even reached the limits of the stock block or crank in these motors, (fords motor is actually better then buicks, they used an on-center block and aluminum heads, and they dont split at ~450 hp liek the 5.0s)
theres lots of factors, what is a "fast" car? what is a "daily driver" car, whats a "reliable" car. cause in some cases its not always go V-8, i know what i wanted to build, a blown and cammed car, i wanted ~400-420 RWHP, with the same for torque, i want it to be a DD if it has to be, and be reliable, so thats what convinced me to start my build, i dont need 700 rwhp for the street. well cams for a 4.6 are upward of a grand, for that price i can do heads and a cam in my car, and a m112 kit for $2800, which is cheaper then a procharger or I/C vortech for a GT. i should be at my goal for less then 10k, motor, blower, detroit (yes im keeping the 7.5) shift kit, tranny cooler, maybe a stall... if i were to go v8, it would be either a termy or id do almost anything for an azure blue mach :drool:
When I was on pump gas and at about 18psi, 300whp dynoed I got eaten by a new v6 mustang. I see him drive up on me on the highway at about 70mph and I could tell it was a v6 so I didnt pay him any attention. Then I hear the BOV go off. I then downshift to 3rd and so does he. He barely walked from me but he still won. I was very sad I got beat by a v6 mustang but he was turbocharged and it was pretty quick. Not crazy fast but it moved.
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Yes.. thats exactly correct.
And not because I'm a mustang enthusiast, i just don't drive imports.. I already did that scene, and a porsche has got to be the most unreliable thing on the road, just like every other vehicle created by VAG corporation.
gotta understand, EVEN STOCK, the 25 year old mustang is FASTER than a NEW v6 that cost SIX TIMES more.
I would rather drive a 4000 dollar mustang v8 then drive a 24,000 dollar Z.. because the 4000 dollar Fox with 300 ft/lb would dESTROY that piece of crap 350z in under a few thousand dollars. I can find a 347 Stroker for cheap, heck why stop there, i'll get a 351, 427, whatever i want..the skys the limit. I see those little turd rollers at the track, 20,000 dollars for a USED car that runs SLOWER then a 00 mustang, rediculous. I smoke 350zs left and right unelss they are the real new models, and my car cost LESS than HALF of theirs and its like 3 years years older. heck most of the BMWs i meet on the highway can't stand a chance. Only the popular ones are worth a crap, lb for lb, model year for model year i can take out a good percentage of BMWs.
Look, if the guy likes imports, all power to him. Everyone is diffrent thats what makes this interesting..but V6 mustangs are where i draw the line.
And not because I'm a mustang enthusiast, i just don't drive imports.. I already did that scene, and a porsche has got to be the most unreliable thing on the road, just like every other vehicle created by VAG corporation.
gotta understand, EVEN STOCK, the 25 year old mustang is FASTER than a NEW v6 that cost SIX TIMES more.
I would rather drive a 4000 dollar mustang v8 then drive a 24,000 dollar Z.. because the 4000 dollar Fox with 300 ft/lb would dESTROY that piece of crap 350z in under a few thousand dollars. I can find a 347 Stroker for cheap, heck why stop there, i'll get a 351, 427, whatever i want..the skys the limit. I see those little turd rollers at the track, 20,000 dollars for a USED car that runs SLOWER then a 00 mustang, rediculous. I smoke 350zs left and right unelss they are the real new models, and my car cost LESS than HALF of theirs and its like 3 years years older. heck most of the BMWs i meet on the highway can't stand a chance. Only the popular ones are worth a crap, lb for lb, model year for model year i can take out a good percentage of BMWs.
Look, if the guy likes imports, all power to him. Everyone is diffrent thats what makes this interesting..but V6 mustangs are where i draw the line.
my ex uncles 911 has 70?k on it and hes done nothing other then schedualed maintence to it, (other then getting it repainted when my aunt took a screw driver to it)
a V8 owner simply cannot argue about power, if you wanted to go fast for cheap you would of baught an LS1. hell even the older vipers are starting to dip down into termi territory for price.
like making power and cheap, i dont need a v8 to do it.
and the sound thing is a matter of opinion, i personally DONT like the sound of the V8s unless there cammed, or its a termi(blower)
Last edited by mustangman02232; Dec 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM.
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Why would i buy a camaro to make power cheap?
I buy Foxbodys to make power cheap.
I like camaros, i like GM..but i'd rather drive a ford.
When we look at the stats, your car ran 15.8 (looking at your sig)
with all those mods on your V6, you could of ran 13s on a mustang of the same year...and you could of ran mid 14s on a mustang 14 years older and you could of ran 12s on a mustang 3 years newer, assuming all of these were 8s.
I'm fine with ppl that drive 6s, just don't try and convince other ppl that they can be fast..because they can, but you just never see it outside of forums and youtube.
Not to mention, you have to make a stang look good, ya knowz? 18" wheelz on a mustang V6..damn, thats like shooting yourself. not to mention on the new mustangs you have to get 20" wheels for the car to look its best (as much as i hate to admit it)..200 HP with 20" wheels, and no torque..it just doesnt work out.
I buy Foxbodys to make power cheap.
I like camaros, i like GM..but i'd rather drive a ford.
When we look at the stats, your car ran 15.8 (looking at your sig)
with all those mods on your V6, you could of ran 13s on a mustang of the same year...and you could of ran mid 14s on a mustang 14 years older and you could of ran 12s on a mustang 3 years newer, assuming all of these were 8s.
I'm fine with ppl that drive 6s, just don't try and convince other ppl that they can be fast..because they can, but you just never see it outside of forums and youtube.
Not to mention, you have to make a stang look good, ya knowz? 18" wheelz on a mustang V6..damn, thats like shooting yourself. not to mention on the new mustangs you have to get 20" wheels for the car to look its best (as much as i hate to admit it)..200 HP with 20" wheels, and no torque..it just doesnt work out.
Last edited by Jbauer; Dec 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM.
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JBauer, in your ranting about using the same mods on a V8 over his V6 and could run faster in the same year, you missed a HUGE step. COST.
If he took the money saved on a V6 purchase and V6 insurance and put that towards the go fast mods, it would wipe a same year GT with similar dollar invested.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
If he took the money saved on a V6 purchase and V6 insurance and put that towards the go fast mods, it would wipe a same year GT with similar dollar invested.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Heck, i drive a V8, you won't burst my bubble.
what cost? I pay LESS to insure my newer V8 mustang then i did with the insurance on my 1997 115 HP VW Jetta. It is also my belief that the V8 engines are just flat out..simply put, more reliable. I didn't pay much for my V8 mustang..i got it on craigslist, in near flawless condition and most the v6s i see cost around the same as i payed for my GT. One of the reasons people are doing so poorley in this economy is that many people don't have the patience to shop. They don't teach kids how to manage money and shop in schools. Heck, the closest thing to that they teach is how to WRITE a damn check! When i graduated high school a couple of years ago, I was in shell shock. If you know what you want, and you know how much you want to spend you WILL find the right car for the right price.
And oh yea..i just gotta say this again...
ITS A V8!!! COME ONNN MAN!! Do you hear how it sounds? the rumble, yet smooth blipping sound at idle and a ROARING rev? ZOMGathalhaweil...
what cost? I pay LESS to insure my newer V8 mustang then i did with the insurance on my 1997 115 HP VW Jetta. It is also my belief that the V8 engines are just flat out..simply put, more reliable. I didn't pay much for my V8 mustang..i got it on craigslist, in near flawless condition and most the v6s i see cost around the same as i payed for my GT. One of the reasons people are doing so poorley in this economy is that many people don't have the patience to shop. They don't teach kids how to manage money and shop in schools. Heck, the closest thing to that they teach is how to WRITE a damn check! When i graduated high school a couple of years ago, I was in shell shock. If you know what you want, and you know how much you want to spend you WILL find the right car for the right price.
And oh yea..i just gotta say this again...
ITS A V8!!! COME ONNN MAN!! Do you hear how it sounds? the rumble, yet smooth blipping sound at idle and a ROARING rev? ZOMGathalhaweil...
Last edited by Jbauer; Dec 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM.
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But still,, buy a V6 and you might regret you didn't buy a GT..
Like the saying goes "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?"[/QUOTE]
This is so true. I was one of these guys that bought a sixxer and then regretted it. I had the opportunity to do a swap and I made it happen. Yes I invested lots of money to get the performance of a GT when I should have gotten a GT in the first place. However I do not regret doing the swap and I will do it again when I go 4 valve (or better).
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Like the saying goes "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?"[/QUOTE]
This is so true. I was one of these guys that bought a sixxer and then regretted it. I had the opportunity to do a swap and I made it happen. Yes I invested lots of money to get the performance of a GT when I should have gotten a GT in the first place. However I do not regret doing the swap and I will do it again when I go 4 valve (or better).
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Heck, i drive a V8, you won't burst my bubble.
what cost? I pay LESS to insure my newer V8 mustang then i did with the insurance on my 1997 115 HP VW Jetta. It is also my belief that the V8 engines are just flat out..simply put, more reliable. I didn't pay much for my V8 mustang..i got it on craigslist, in near flawless condition and most the v6s i see cost around the same as i payed for my GT. One of the reasons people are doing so poorley in this economy is that many people don't have the patience to shop. They don't teach kids how to manage money and shop in schools. Heck, the closest thing to that they teach is how to WRITE a damn check! When i graduated high school a couple of years ago, I was in shell shock. If you know what you want, and you know how much you want to spend you WILL find the right car for the right price.
And oh yea..i just gotta say this again...
ITS A V8!!! COME ONNN MAN!! Do you hear how it sounds? the rumble, yet smooth blipping sound at idle and a ROARING rev? ZOMGathalhaweil...
what cost? I pay LESS to insure my newer V8 mustang then i did with the insurance on my 1997 115 HP VW Jetta. It is also my belief that the V8 engines are just flat out..simply put, more reliable. I didn't pay much for my V8 mustang..i got it on craigslist, in near flawless condition and most the v6s i see cost around the same as i payed for my GT. One of the reasons people are doing so poorley in this economy is that many people don't have the patience to shop. They don't teach kids how to manage money and shop in schools. Heck, the closest thing to that they teach is how to WRITE a damn check! When i graduated high school a couple of years ago, I was in shell shock. If you know what you want, and you know how much you want to spend you WILL find the right car for the right price.
And oh yea..i just gotta say this again...
ITS A V8!!! COME ONNN MAN!! Do you hear how it sounds? the rumble, yet smooth blipping sound at idle and a ROARING rev? ZOMGathalhaweil...
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I feel ya' man, V6 mustangs don't do it for me in the sound department either. Maximas sound alright, but have you ever heard a VW equipped with the older generation (95-99.5) VR6? its a V6, but it's on one head, so it has 6 cyl. with only one head but it's in a V configuration. Sounds great... probably the best sounding V6 in the world as far as i'm concerned (youtube doesn't do it justice, you gotta hear it in person) but even it still doesn't top the sound of a Ford V8.
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Don't even talk about slow with mustang gt's. They are almost 10 years now behind the performance of the LS1 f-bodies(98-02). You know, the cars that run the 1/4 stock in the high 12's to low 13s. The mustang gt now is a mid-high 13sec car which is pathetic compared to other V8's out there. The SRT-8 charger runs 13 flat stock, the new camaro will be running 12's stock, the SRT-8 challenger is running high 12s, and the 4000lb G8 GT can run mid 13s stock through an auto transmission. Hell, even the challenger r/t can run mid-high 13's stock, eve some dipping in the low 13s. So my question to you is why drive a slow V8 mustang gt if your going to drive a V8? And if you're answer is modding potential, then stfu before you answer because when my 6 is turbocharged it will be running 11's on stock internals and be my daily driver. So take that into consideration before you comment anymore.
By buying a GT, you have less to worry about if you want to add things like a Turbo, S/C or a 200 shot. A V6, with those types of things, **** breaks a lot quicker.
Moving on, Jbauer- I would Absolutely love to see an old Fox body beating 350Z's left and right. The new Z has a faster recorded time than the new Mustang GT. I think it was a 13.1 or 13.2 Even the old Z's have run mid-high 13's. Straight line, you might beat one with an OK driver, past that, that 5.0 V8 is fugged up.
You need to understand, people don't buy those weak a$$ V6's as you have mentioned several times because they are quick. They buy them because it those cars appeal in more than one way to them. Rather than bitc* about "oh, it's not a V8" realize not everyone cares about performance, and speed, and don't need the might V8 "FEEL"