ford already has those engines in the F1 series. they might run 900hp for a few hundred miles but don't forget that they take them apart and redo them for every event, usually because the engines are toast. those engines are fine tuned by a whole team of engineers, and their point is to make the most hp while staying as lightweight as possible. you can't possibly compare an F1 car to a street car, they're worlds apart, same thing for a bike. if you want something that has the same kind of horsepower rating for street use while still being reliable, the best reasonable option is lots of displacement and boost... for example the viper 800TT, 8.0l twin turbo pushing 800hp. or a KB Cobra 4.6l supercharged over 700hp and still be a reliable daily driver. of course it's possible to squeeze that kind of power out of a 4cyl or small displacement engine but i rarely see any of them aside from some vids floating around the net and i doubt very much that they are actual daily drivers. on the other hand i see handfulls of 500hp to 800hp daily driven V8s.

 

he either needs new tires, suspension or he just flat out needs to learn how to drive. A 91 Accord is light as ****.

An H22 in an EG and it would have been you who had shut up after he busted *** down the track.

 

suspension is stock and tires are pretty regular summer street tires but he definetly knows how to drive. what's an EG ? and no i wouldn't of had to shut up because i didn't open my mouth in the first place, don't know enough about modding hondas to talk smack about them + i actually thought it was plausible he could blow my doors off.

edit : his accord weights 24XXlbs

 

Again, guys, it isn't done with stock internals -- not for long. I simply have never seen 1000 RWHP (or even credible 1000 flywheel HP) from any stock internals. First off, the manufacturers are not idiots -- if it was YOUR money would you put 1000 HP internals in a stock engine? You'd be throwing away money on quality and strength customers would never see or need. They are in a competitive business and they aren't going to give anyone that much margin.

No offense, but there is a lot of bull out there. I have personnally seen the following stock engines come apart with mods:
Corvette LS1, come apart (cracked piston, throw rod, cracked block(probably because of the piston)!!) at around 560 RWHP from boost.
Camaro LT4: crank shattered with SC and NOS, had done 450 RWHP on dyno
Firebird LS1: came apart at 515 RWHP with a hard launch
Camaro LS1 (mine) came apart at 600 RPM and about 580 RWHP during a drag - spectacular
Supra 3 liter: bottom end failed at around 560 RWHP with larger turbos cams.
Neon SRT - blew the head gasket with a bit less than 20 lbs of boost and about 380 FWHP
Ford 4.6GT (SOHC): bent at least one rod at around 4000 RPM, 420 RWHP, boost and NOS
these are good cars, all, and not even close.
I really believe that anyone who gets 1000 RWHP out of an engine, or even 750 or more, will have aftermarket (and good) internals. And I think anyone spending the type of money to get that would go ahead and spend the money - it costs only about $3K to get good (Eagle) or $4k to get great (Crwer) internals for a V8.

 

F1 engines are small because the rules limit them, also they have turbos about twice the size of your head. Ungodly amounts of boost is needed to make the power they make. Put the same amount of forced induction into say a 500ci V8 and you get 1800hp from the 2.0L and 6000+ from the 500ci. More displacement means more power. It really is that simple. There is no way an F1 car will hang with TOP FUEL, or even PRO STOCK in a 1/4 mile. Its just not going to happen, mainly because of the power required and also because its two differnt types of racing.

The whole stock internal thing amuses me. How long do the dyno queen Supra's live running enough boost to make 1000hp? The guys will tell you they last forever, but dont believe everything people tell you.

Just because some kid can spend $10-$20k on a Honda and run where a lightly modded LS1 can run, doesnt mean the smaller engine is better. There are trade offs in engine design. A high winding small displacement multivalve engine is going to be very soggy on the bottom end because it makes all of its power about 4000 rpm. Under that it will be a dog. Making 400hp doesnt take much if you spin the snot out of it, there isnt much torque being made if its power peak is only 400 hp @9000rpm. Sorry but Torque is what moves the car. HP is just torque over time, its a mathematical equasion, nothing more. Torque is how hard the engine is turning at a given RPM. So if you dont have much of it, you need more rpm to move the car. Driving a car that weighs more with a smaller engine (ie mustang vs LS1) means it wont be as fast. Add forced induction and things change, mod anything and it will go. The same level of mods to a larger engine will make more power.

Saying Honda X will outrun ANY muscle car is a much to general comment. Maybe a highly modified CRX vs a stone stock (fill in the blank V8) would be faster, but put the same money into the larger engine that you need with the small one and you will have no problems with the toy car. Also a 4 cyl that weighs 2400lbs isnt going to be appreciably faster than a 2800-3000 lb V8, given the HP difference inherent in the designs. V8 cars can be that light, even older ones. $10k in an older V8 spent intelligently = 650 hp NA or more on pump gas. Tough to make that kinda power with the little engines, and make them live for any length of time.

 

the import motors are much more efficient then our domestic motors, i mean 200+ horse out of a 4 cycinder from the factory on n/a and most of the imports weigh like close to 2000lbs so that makes them faster, they have a much better power to weight ratio

 

There is also alot of V8's with little more than headers, stall, and underdrive pullies turning 11's on DR's, some are still getting 28-30 mpg highway too. Right around $1500 in mods, so whats your point?

Maybe its not so much underestimates as much as it is dont care because they are still behind us. So what if they can get in the 11's, in the bracket car world that is a grocery getter. 11's can be run with a V8 with stock parts, even in 4000lb cars. Case in point:

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance....ld455jh99.html

He was running 12.4's with stock heads, stock RA IV cam, stock intake and a stock Quadrajet carb before he built this engine. I know so what right? Its not a Honda so it sucks. 11's are easy to get, first car I got there with only had $2700 in the engine and $5k in the entire car. It was still streetable and made a 100mile round trip no problem on quite a few occasions. Was driven to the track, raced, and driven home. So what, thousands of cars are faster and you can pull up as many as you like that run a certain number.

 

How you figure? When a 5.7L V8 "rated" at 310 hp can get 30mpg highway and put down 290-300 rwhp stock and run faster than the Imports ever dreamed of stock, how are they more efficient? Especially when the 4 cylinder makes about half the power and burns the same amount of fuel or 2-4mpg less? Sorry but to make the same power you are going to burn the same amount of fuel. Why dont theymake more power? Its simple really, its not they cant, it is more than they cant get it insured. They would have people who cant manage to drive something with 150hp trying to handle a car with 400+ and dying on a regular basis. Sorry but not everyone can just hop in a 500whp car and drive it. The new 4.6L in the 05/06 Mustangs is decent too. 300hp from 281 ci. Still there is alot more in there, but they dont bring it out. How much does it cost to insure a Viper as opposed to a Scion? Why do you think that is?

Its pure and simple BS that American engines arent as good as the rest of the world. We simply have a different way of going about things. Mainly because we arent limited by a set of rules or taxes on displacement like some European countries were. Also because we have alot of wide open spaces to run our cars, not predominantly bumper to bumper city driving like in Japan/Korea. Of course if you live in LA or any large city, you wont see what I am talking about. If you have driven in Japan/Korea and then Germany/Italy you would see the differences. I would be more willing to say American drivers are the handicap, more so than the cars are. brain donors here cant drive and its so easy to get a permit to drive.

 

anybody can make an engine that has a ****load of HP at 9000rpms. the hard part (for the real world, not racing) is to get power without having to spin the living **** out of the motor. that's why v8's are cool. I can drive on the street and never get over 2200 rpm. try that with a 4 or 6 cylinder.

 

Umm... I do that all the time[&:] trying to save on gas.. I shift around 2500