Stock 08 Civic Si thinks it will beat termie at watkins glen

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05-08-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMustangGT

Ok so i go to school with this kid that owns a 2008 Honda Civic Si...The only mods he has are a chip tune, direzza tires, intake, and a lowering kit...Well today we were talking about his car and i brought up the fact that a 03-04 cobra would beat him if it was stock at a track like watkins glen...And he was like no it wouldn't...So then i said how about a cobra with a built suspension and other toys and he said that he would still take a termie at watkins glen...At this point i am livid...So he told me good luck finding a cobra that can beat me at watkins glen....So i come only to the best let me know if you could take him hahaha...

this question is totally dependent on the driver, obviously your car is faster, but out handle... not necessarily

05-08-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SVTeeshirt

lol no.. that part is true but IRS> Front wheel drive. Road course speaking, at the strip its a given, the 08s are ****ing heavy compared to the early civics.

Lol! Unless you are are skilled at trail braking and late apexing a stock Mustang pushes like a pig going into corners. It takes a lot, and I mean a lot of suspension mods to neutral out a Mustang. The IRS makes it a little easier to get the car balanced but it still takes a good amount of work. Hell, even with all the suspension mods I have the car still pushes going into corners.

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Civic = 2900#'s 200hp .9g skidpad
cobra = 3700#'s 390hp .8g skidpad

The difference between .8g and .9g on a skidpad is huge. If you look at it in terms of corner exit speed the car that can pull .9g will probably exit at least 5-8 mph faster than the car that can only pull .8g.

05-08-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OzzDOA

are you argreeing with me in arguing with him?
or arguing with me and agreeing with someone else? IM CONFUSED!!

thats pretty much the point i was getting at, i think the civic COULD outdrive the mustang on a tight course, but with THAT track, theres just more areas where the mustang would excel.

Id be willing to bet though, that 5-6k into mods on each of these cars, and the civic would OWN the mustang.... hell for 5k you can turn a honda into a deceptacon

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05-08-2009, 09:37 AM

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Just clarifying. People that just look at the number may not realize how big of a difference .1g is when it comes to handling performance.

05-08-2009, 01:56 PM

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There's a few times a year where a mountain road is closed down around my area, always hear about it from a friend of mine with a Fit really modded though, it's all twisties and he takes m3 and m5's that go for a run, so I dought a mustang can take him on twisties, but when your on a course like that small nimble doesn't help.

I can see you actually beating him if you drove smart and didn't lose to much on twisties.
That's a lap over view of a BMW running track it's pretty fast track min speed is 60 around turn 6 and 7 if you can stay near him during those two you'll blast by during straight away. On other hand if you run short course it turns into a drag race with a couple of turns, in which he'll have no chance.

08 SI Dyno says hes pushing MAX 130ft/lbs tq and not even 200hp
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/powe...ges/index.html

Track info:
http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Watkins_Glen