So the ultamte question is.......do i invest lots of money into a sixer so it can beat a gt.......or buy a gt and up grade that...........but see my sixer is a automatic sucks>?>?

 

IMO,Ill give wayyyy more props for a v6 300rwhp+ than a gt seeing 300+rwhp....but saying u ask how much it took to get there,I would still have the same opinion as long as the v6 guy didnt spend more than 1 to 2 thousand more to get that kind of hp....

 

get a tune and a torque converter and the auto will be faster

it might cost more to get it to beat a GT, but it about evens out when you factor in that the GT is more expensive to start with. Id say mod the heck out of the 6er, i were to sit and watch a drag and there was a 6er and cobra, or a 6er and a vette, id love to see the 6er win, because it is the underdog, like the video with the powerstroke F-350 that ran mid 12s

 

hell, just the parts alone would cost more unless you found them all used. you can get a GT insteadd of a v6 of the same year for a couple grand more if you look around.

 

it said 911 in the back and i heard the turbo so i asked the manager what kind of porshe it was and he said a "gt" -- watever that means

 

i have both a 99 GT and a 98 V6 and yes it is cheaper to build the V6 than the 4.6 is

obviously you know nothing about the 3.8L essex and are baseing you opinion of the V6 on no knowledge of it.

good luck running more than a few runs down the track at 11PSI??? dude i ran my car for 40,000 miles without a tune and running the stock 14lb injectors with procharger FMU at 11 PSI. it finally lost compression in #6 but no catastrophic failure.

just because it is a V6 doesn't mean it is a weak design. it will survive more boost that a 4.6 both in stock form

surviving boost is all in the tune. boost doesn't hurt a car because air is easily compressible. what hurts the engine is detonation from fuel leanout while boosted

you don't seem to understand that 220rwhp is just a starting point for a blown stock singleoprt 3.8. completely built and your are over 300rwhp without breaking a sweat

a splitport 3.8 with an 11 psi kit with 42lb injectors focus fuel pump and SCT MAF will be 290rwhp on a stock engine. the 3.8 is easily modded and the parts are no more than 315W parts in price which is far cheaper than the 4.6

please if you don't know anything about the 3.8 don't give advise on it

 

higher the psi, easier the detonation to occur, so you cannot say they aren't related. tell me, why'd you forge your motor if you're just running 11 psi? and how much did it cost you to do that in parts? you seem to neglect money completely in this thread which is about worth. and what about your rear end and tranny, did you do anything with that? those don't cost anything, do they?

you must be a freakin' genious, since you ran your car for 40,000 miles with no tune at 11 psi.

 

Yea I actually agree with redass on this one. You got to remember, most people don't have the cash to fully mod out a six, hell, most people are lucky to do all of the basic bolt ons, and even fewer are lucky enough to add on a supercharger, I could, but it would take me years to do so, and who knows, what could happen in that amount of time frame. I'm sorry I'm saying this, but if you have an auto six and you really want a nice hp boost without spending wads of cash, then sell your car and upgrade to a GT, it will only cost you 2-4K more, and if that's the amount of hp you want then you don't have to do mods, although we know you probably will. Now if you have a 99+ manual, then I would say your best off moding your six since your tranny will be much more responsive to engine upgrades.

 

yes the higher the psi the easier it is to have detonation. that's why a proper tune is important. especially for the 99+ returnless fuel systems i didn't tune my car because i wanted to see how far and how long the engine would hold up as i have a few extra 3.8's sitting around ready for forged parts and more boost


the 3.8 like i said is a very stout engine and can tolerate more boost without the best tune.

i never went forged at 11 psi. 11psi was when i had all stock internals except for 1.8 roller rockers. i am going up to 18psi when i get the car finished this spring

as for the cost of the forged parts that came to $900 for the ross 8.5:1 .030" slugs/Eagle H-beam rods and rings
$175 for a reground cam $289 for the rockers $50 for the shim kit $170 for .600" lift springs

$900 to upgrade to forged and $1670 for the cam rockers springs and rocker shims

$300 for a Pro-m Univer MAF, $350 for a SCT chip,$299 for eight 42lb injectors

$2620 total and with the addition of ported heads for another $500 that's just under $3000 in the engine for parts but only $900 for forged components

not everything i listed is needed but i am going for over 400rwhp so i added all that i have

i paid $2600 for the procharger 11 psi kit so for $5600 i'll be over 400rwhp without breaking a sweat

Justin at www.vmptuning.com is running as much as 17psi through a completely stock splitport to get $450. turbo would have been the route i would have went but the custom turbo kits were few and far between when i bought the procharger and i didn't have the time to fab my own

the rear end i setup myself with used 3.73's for $60 and new T-lok for $169 which will be swapped for a detroit for $382. B&M shift kit for $75 and installed for $125. 2500 stall for $250 (used)

OK to get the same power out of my 99 GT let's see about $4000 for a procharger kit,$499 for 42lb injectors,$399 for MAF,$200 for cobra fuel pump$350 for chip,$399 for detroit diff $210 for shift kit and install and probably a few things i missed for a grand total of $6060+ and you still have the crappy stock heads pistons and rods and stock cams which costs $599 a set

i could have had alot more power if i would have went turbo and spend about $1400 less

so yeah my 3.8 costs less than my Gt to get about the same HP. believe me i looked long and hard at modding the 4.6 but came to the conclusion that the 3.8 was just as good of a platform to build upon if not better.

yes there are fewer 3.8 parts out there compared to the 4.6 but there is plenty to make the right combo for cheaper than the 4.6

even the 5.0 has a hard time equalling the 3.8 for dollar/hp because you must ditch the crappy E7TE boat ancor heads for a set that costs $1000 to build any kind of respectable power

i've been around awhile and like i said mess with buick V6's in the past and i'll take a buick V6 over the 4.6 anyday and the ford 3.8 being a copy of the buick is no different

the 11psi procharger kit for 94-98 3.8's come with a vacuum operated FMU to make the 14 lbs injectors act like bigger ones. it was a rare and hot occasion that i ever noticed any signs of detonation. a faulty injector starving #6 is what caused it to lose compression from detonation. that can happen to any steup regardless of the best tune or not

 

Well you have a good argument, but like I said, most people don't have that kind of money, nor are they looking for those types of hp gains either.