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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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^^^nice lookin setup there cc....
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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ive seen these set ups before, does it work with the mustang throttle bodies or will i need a different one, same with the ecu and does it still run on a mass air meter.

they are amazing looking but from what ive seen, a 1500.00 price tag seems alot.
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 06:35 PM
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also, this is more of a street car, and not a drag car, id rather my power kick in much lower then the 4500 your intake advertises
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Well, what is your true budget? Reason I ask, now double that and that's most likely what you'll spend. When I started my build, I had a 6k budget, though feasible when I bought my 408 shortblock for 2600, sure it may have been, but when building a motor like this, everytime you go and buy something, say headers for instance, you look at BBK because they're cheap, pick up a set of longtubes for about 400, then you think "well for a few hundred more, I could get a good set of headers, like hookers" then you buy the hookers, and you do this for every item you buy, and it adds up real quick. Right now I think i'm sitting at 7 or 8 grand without a balancer, the Anderson PMS to control it, a MAF, new motor mounts, the rest of the exhaust, a rad, new fuel lines from tank to engine, and fuel pump so there's probably another 2000-2500, maybe more, yet.

After all is said and done you have a strong, reliable engine that I will feel comfortable driving anywhere, just adds up quicker than you can imagine.

I recently bought an 08 Accent off the lot for 12,300 taxes and shipping in, for the price of this engine, JUST the engine, not the 9" in the back or the t-56 to go behind it, I could own a second.

If you want to stay within a reliable budget, just straight up pull the engine from a truck or van, and put it in, and it could be done for probably 3 grand
Old Nov 7, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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Power kicking in? Are you kidding me. What does that mean. Mine will 60ft at 1.48 foot braking from 2000 rpm. I am running a BS3 EFI system because of the turbo that will be on the car this winter. I am not and was not suggesting you do that. If you run an elbow and throttle body with a tube and Mass air meter you can run you stock ECM. Custom tune recomended.

Back to the intake the rpm range is effected by the size of the engine. 408 is a lot bigger than 351 so the range moves down. Also the 408 makes an *** of torque down low. Mine is a street car as well just no AC or power steering.

Again for what you want a 347 is the way to go. Cheeper and easier.

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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 07:31 AM
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liquid 02, ive considered pulling a motor out of a truck, i have a spare bronco with a 351HO and a 9 inch rear with 4.55's in the rear and 32 spline axles.

However, i would rather just sell that truck and go with some newer parts i can trust,

the 408/418 really seems to be my direction, im looking to keep the comp. down, like 9.5-10.00
so i wont have to run on anything besides pump gas.

ive read some stuff on your build and honestly it pretty much mirrors my build and direction, being in college makes money short, but ive got 3 cars for sale right now and im hoping thatll give me a jump in the right direction, maybe atleast cover the 3 grand for a short block and cam.

however ive noticed alot of guys here running set ups that dont really kick their power in till 4000+ rpms, is there a way to have a power band building from 2000 to 6000 being its a street car.

BTW liquid 02. not sure how much time you got on it, but how do you like the t56, ive heard mixed reviews but have debated the swap to the 6 speed alot.
Old Nov 7, 2008 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cccharleston
Power kicking in? Are you kidding me. What does that mean. Mine will 60ft at 1.48 foot braking from 2000 rpm. I am running a BS3 EFI system because of the turbo that will be on the car this winter. I am not and was not suggesting you do that. If you run an elbow and throttle body with a tube and Mass air meter you can run you stock ECM. Custom tune recomended.

Back to the intake the rpm range is effected by the size of the engine. 408 is a lot bigger than 351 so the range moves down. Also the 408 makes an *** of torque down low. Mine is a street car as well just no AC or power steering.

Again for what you want a 347 is the way to go. Cheeper and easier.
thanks, sorry misunderstood you then, and i know these engines make huge amount of torque.
i dont know how much though, i havent found any numbers to baseline what i should expect from these 408-427 motors.
Old Nov 7, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ponyboy88
liquid 02, ive considered pulling a motor out of a truck, i have a spare bronco with a 351HO and a 9 inch rear with 4.55's in the rear and 32 spline axles.

However, i would rather just sell that truck and go with some newer parts i can trust,

the 408/418 really seems to be my direction, im looking to keep the comp. down, like 9.5-10.00
so i wont have to run on anything besides pump gas.

ive read some stuff on your build and honestly it pretty much mirrors my build and direction, being in college makes money short, but ive got 3 cars for sale right now and im hoping thatll give me a jump in the right direction, maybe atleast cover the 3 grand for a short block and cam.

however ive noticed alot of guys here running set ups that dont really kick their power in till 4000+ rpms, is there a way to have a power band building from 2000 to 6000 being its a street car.

BTW liquid 02. not sure how much time you got on it, but how do you like the t56, ive heard mixed reviews but have debated the swap to the 6 speed alot.
Motor's not in the car yet, don't know how the t56 will be till i get 'er in there.

As far as your powerband is concerned, it's mostly controlled by intake and cam. This is why I went with the Trickflow. For an intake, the longer the runners, the lower the powerband, and more torque, the shorter the runners, the higher the powerband and more HP. Trickflow has longer runners than any other EFI intake you can get for the 351, and is why I picked it. For the cam, what I did is I phoned comp cams, told them my set-up, the RPM range I want for the motor, and a few other tid-bits and they ground me a cam for my set-up. I would suggest getting a custom ground cam to anybody, for another $100, or so, over an off-the-shelf cam, you can get one cut for your personal set-up.
Old Nov 7, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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dude just call up jim at fordstrokers and start figuring it out he also has a payment plan that sounds like could be good in your situation,

and again the 408's and such pound out some serious torque, not uncommon to be pushin 400-500 at 25-3000 rpms
Old Nov 8, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmustang
dude just call up jim at fordstrokers and start figuring it out he also has a payment plan that sounds like could be good in your situation,

and again the 408's and such pound out some serious torque, not uncommon to be pushin 400-500 at 25-3000 rpms
im getting there, im getting there,

ok, so is there an y reason not to go with the upgrade to the 418 or 427. This car will never see a drag strip, but itll see some speed on the streets and a good amount of miles (~20k a year, im doing 35k a year now but i have the truck now which will also be a driver/crawler.
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