Evolution debate ongoing.
04-22-2006, 11:09 PM
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RE: Brenspeed vs Evolution debate ended.
Sadly at the time of ordering my combo, no one really knew about Evolution on the forums... or no one voice their opinion... So I went with brenspeed, and so far not completely dissatisfied with the tune. (The Evolution price and performance is much better in comparison though.) I would have gone that route.
04-23-2006, 12:00 AM
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RE: Brenspeed vs Evolution debate ended.
I think Fred is running his tunes at like 12.1? I'm not sure... he says my Brenspeed Tune was running at like 13.5. I don't have any graphs of the Dyno, just a print out of the results. I'm sure Fred might be able to pull up some graphs and send them over.
04-23-2006, 12:04 AM
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RE: Brenspeed vs Evolution debate ended.
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What was the A/F at? Can you scan the dyno graph so we can see? I heard that the Evo tunes ran dangerously lean...
What was the A/F at? Can you scan the dyno graph so we can see? I heard that the Evo tunes ran dangerously lean...
Air Fuel was 12.8! How is that dangerously lean! Optimum AFR on a N/A car is 13.1 but the 3V likes it at 12.8 AFR and makes much better power that way!
04-23-2006, 12:13 AM
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RE: Brenspeed vs Evolution debate ended.
ORIGINAL: Menace
Fred had cancelled the dyno day for today, due to sucky weather. (It hasn't stopped raining all day, and it's been rather cold.) So me and Dkano from the forums had already planned this and went despite all, because the shop would still be open, just wasn't open for a large crowd with all the festivities planned. (That is now scheduled for May 20th)
Now for the purpose of this thread... I was going to the shop in hopes of making 300RWHP with my Brenspeed tune, C&L Intake, and Off-road H-pipe. So as my car makes everyone deaf in the shop (and probably a 5 mile radius) the Mustang Dyno numbers are printed up and I'm shown with having 274.1 RWHP & 292.2 RWTQ. Needless to say I was fairly disappointed. (Although these are the numbers that did give me my 13.2 in the 1/4 on stock rubber.)
It was now turn for Fred's tune, (Which you can get by purchasing his SCT XCalibrator, and his combo prices are much cheaper then anyone else I believe.) Frankly, this would be the best bang for your buck. Fred loaded up the tunes to my SCT (With a $150 upgrade price for those of you wanting his tune. Sadly.) Onto the Dyno I went and the numbers were more of what I was expecting. 300.5RWHP & 317.1 RWTQ.
As far as performance is concerned I think you can clearly see the winner.
Brenspeed 274.1RWHP - 292.2RWTQ
Evolution 300.5RWHP - 317.1RWTQ
If by chance you are reading this Brent, I still think you have excellent service, and you're awesome... but... Evolution has you beat in this aspect (as well as price for combos). You win some, you lose some.
No harm meant.
12s, here we come.
Fred had cancelled the dyno day for today, due to sucky weather. (It hasn't stopped raining all day, and it's been rather cold.) So me and Dkano from the forums had already planned this and went despite all, because the shop would still be open, just wasn't open for a large crowd with all the festivities planned. (That is now scheduled for May 20th)
Now for the purpose of this thread... I was going to the shop in hopes of making 300RWHP with my Brenspeed tune, C&L Intake, and Off-road H-pipe. So as my car makes everyone deaf in the shop (and probably a 5 mile radius) the Mustang Dyno numbers are printed up and I'm shown with having 274.1 RWHP & 292.2 RWTQ. Needless to say I was fairly disappointed. (Although these are the numbers that did give me my 13.2 in the 1/4 on stock rubber.)
It was now turn for Fred's tune, (Which you can get by purchasing his SCT XCalibrator, and his combo prices are much cheaper then anyone else I believe.) Frankly, this would be the best bang for your buck. Fred loaded up the tunes to my SCT (With a $150 upgrade price for those of you wanting his tune. Sadly.) Onto the Dyno I went and the numbers were more of what I was expecting. 300.5RWHP & 317.1 RWTQ.
As far as performance is concerned I think you can clearly see the winner.
Brenspeed 274.1RWHP - 292.2RWTQ
Evolution 300.5RWHP - 317.1RWTQ
If by chance you are reading this Brent, I still think you have excellent service, and you're awesome... but... Evolution has you beat in this aspect (as well as price for combos). You win some, you lose some.
No harm meant.
12s, here we come.
04-23-2006, 12:36 AM
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RE: Brenspeed vs Evolution debate ended.
I have been reading every post about EVO vs Brenspeed in the hopes of getting unbiased data as to which tune is better. I have contacted Brent via email, he recently lowered his price for the JLTII CAI tuner package. I was going to order from him on monday because customer service and safety is more important to me than $30 difference than Fred's pricing. However, Menace, are you honestly telling me that a tune from Fred netted you 25 whp over Brent's custom tune? Was Brent's tune set up for all your mods or before your H-pipe install? Was the A/F the same for both tunes? 30 bucks is not a big deal to me but 25whp is. You had said this was a 93 octane tune for both, how much difference is there between the 87 tune and the 93 tune. Gas is friggin' spendy so if I sacrifice 5-10whp?? and save $1000 or more a year buying the cheap stuff, I can put that money into more mods.
Fred I am going to PM you with questions
Fred I am going to PM you with questions
04-23-2006, 12:41 AM
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RE: Brenspeed vs Evolution debate ended.
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So lets say that I order a sct and jlt2 from Fred ..Do I have to shell out a extra 150 to get this tune ????
So lets say that I order a sct and jlt2 from Fred ..Do I have to shell out a extra 150 to get this tune ????
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