V6 or V8
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But seriously, you guys are making it sound like its soo haaard to mod an 8..
Step 1: Buy super charger.
Step 2: Install charger.
Step 3: Anhilate so called fast sixxers.
heck we have more TQ cammed and chipped then you guys do supercharged. You ditched an 11 second 347 to buy a V6? whats your V6 running now?
Last edited by Jbauer; Dec 4, 2008 at 08:20 PM.
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...I'm gonna need your A/S/L..and your AIM..unless your a guy..
But seriously, you guys are making it sound like its soo haaard to mod an 8..
Step 1: Buy super charger.
Step 2: Install charger.
Step 3: Anhilate so called fast sixxers.
heck we have more TQ cammed and chipped then you guys do supercharged. You ditched an 11 second 347 to buy a V6? whats your V6 running now?
But seriously, you guys are making it sound like its soo haaard to mod an 8..
Step 1: Buy super charger.
Step 2: Install charger.
Step 3: Anhilate so called fast sixxers.
heck we have more TQ cammed and chipped then you guys do supercharged. You ditched an 11 second 347 to buy a V6? whats your V6 running now?
I didn't ditch one for the other, I had them both at the same time. Along with a chrome yellow 93 LX vert. I got rid of both foxes and kept the V6. Last winter I picked up another 5.0L hatch, and sold it while holding onto the V6 as well. I must be a dumb girl... right? I've had an 81, 82, two 90s two 93s and a 1970 Mach 1 all with V8s. Still prefer the sixer for some odd reason.
And you are missing the point, dollar for dollar spent... V6 is just as good a perforance choice as the V8. Everytime you add $$ to the V8, you can up the budget for the V6 as well, and make power just as fast. Why is this such a hard concept for some? I never said it was hard to mod a V8. Like I said, I've modded several V8 mustangs.
And Fobra, before anyone says anything, I apologize for ripping straight at you instead of V8 owners in general. It was out of line.
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Nah, i was talking to the sixxers. Us V8s gotta stick to getha' you knowz?!
But for the most part, lets talk about what people DO. For some reason you really don't see ppl modding those V6s..you simply don't. You don't see people doing real engine work on them, mostly its because of the people that buy them.. teenage girls with teddy bears in the back window..it's a crappy generalization to be associated with.
Everytime someone admires my car, or i'm at a parking lot or car show, or just chatting about cars on the internet in a chat room somewhere..i get the same 2 questions.. ALWAYS.
1) Is it a GT? and
2) Is it a 5spd.
And i always get this 'Bad ***' or 'sounds great' or 'man i wanna ride in that, that thing looks and sounds bad ***'
with a V6, probably gonna go like this:
'Hey is that a V8?"
"Ughh, no; actually it's a V6 but i've done dual mufflers on it and its got an intake and a turbo'
Other guy "Oh, cool"
But for the most part, lets talk about what people DO. For some reason you really don't see ppl modding those V6s..you simply don't. You don't see people doing real engine work on them, mostly its because of the people that buy them.. teenage girls with teddy bears in the back window..it's a crappy generalization to be associated with.
Everytime someone admires my car, or i'm at a parking lot or car show, or just chatting about cars on the internet in a chat room somewhere..i get the same 2 questions.. ALWAYS.
1) Is it a GT? and
2) Is it a 5spd.
And i always get this 'Bad ***' or 'sounds great' or 'man i wanna ride in that, that thing looks and sounds bad ***'
with a V6, probably gonna go like this:
'Hey is that a V8?"
"Ughh, no; actually it's a V6 but i've done dual mufflers on it and its got an intake and a turbo'
Other guy "Oh, cool"
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My car has a stock Ford block and a stock Ford crank, so it can't be much in the power dept. Has almost 200,000 miles on the car and just some take off Ford performace parts from other kinds of Mustangs. Wanna race?
I didn't ditch one for the other, I had them both at the same time. Along with a chrome yellow 93 LX vert. I got rid of both foxes and kept the V6. Last winter I picked up another 5.0L hatch, and sold it while holding onto the V6 as well. I must be a dumb girl... right? I've had an 81, 82, two 90s two 93s and a 1970 Mach 1 all with V8s. Still prefer the sixer for some odd reason.
And you are missing the point, dollar for dollar spent... V6 is just as good a perforance choice as the V8. Everytime you add $$ to the V8, you can up the budget for the V6 as well, and make power just as fast. Why is this such a hard concept for some? I never said it was hard to mod a V8. Like I said, I've modded several V8 mustangs.
And Fobra, before anyone says anything, I apologize for ripping straight at you instead of V8 owners in general. It was out of line.
I didn't ditch one for the other, I had them both at the same time. Along with a chrome yellow 93 LX vert. I got rid of both foxes and kept the V6. Last winter I picked up another 5.0L hatch, and sold it while holding onto the V6 as well. I must be a dumb girl... right? I've had an 81, 82, two 90s two 93s and a 1970 Mach 1 all with V8s. Still prefer the sixer for some odd reason.
And you are missing the point, dollar for dollar spent... V6 is just as good a perforance choice as the V8. Everytime you add $$ to the V8, you can up the budget for the V6 as well, and make power just as fast. Why is this such a hard concept for some? I never said it was hard to mod a V8. Like I said, I've modded several V8 mustangs.
And Fobra, before anyone says anything, I apologize for ripping straight at you instead of V8 owners in general. It was out of line.
I don't mind... but at least your a stand up guy. I just disagree with you about the performance per dollar, and then of course the resale. I mean, if a car is fast, its fast and you have to have respect for that no matter what it is, but im willing to bet that stock GT with a wet plate will smoke a stock v6 with any blower or n20 - all else being equal, I know your saying that the v-6 is cheaper to start with, but I dont really agree seems that if you dont mind mileage you can get a GT for about the same price or maybe 500-1000 more.
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Agreed, I love the 2.3T cars and will someday make room for one.
And you do see sixers out there, you just need to know where to look. Full on built 4.2 or 4.3L cars are popping up with a power adder all the time. SC'd V6s are all over. And if people realized how easy it was to make power in them, I think more would be building them.
One of the best things for the V6 is the ability to make use of other Ford motor parts. Windstar's upper intake has great results, and bolts on. F150's 4.2L crank and bottom end will put down as much power as the old 5.0L V8 with the stock top end. 351 rods are the choice of alot of guys who go for big numbers (500hp or more). The 99-04 cars can know make use of the Terminator supercharger ($2800 for a full kit that doubles the stock hp/tq). Anything else you can do to a V8, you can do to the V6: Heads, cam, valve train, intakes, forged bottom end etc...
And one thing I really like about the newer 3.8L is having dual length runners for each cylinder which gives a better power band than a single runner.
And you do see sixers out there, you just need to know where to look. Full on built 4.2 or 4.3L cars are popping up with a power adder all the time. SC'd V6s are all over. And if people realized how easy it was to make power in them, I think more would be building them.
One of the best things for the V6 is the ability to make use of other Ford motor parts. Windstar's upper intake has great results, and bolts on. F150's 4.2L crank and bottom end will put down as much power as the old 5.0L V8 with the stock top end. 351 rods are the choice of alot of guys who go for big numbers (500hp or more). The 99-04 cars can know make use of the Terminator supercharger ($2800 for a full kit that doubles the stock hp/tq). Anything else you can do to a V8, you can do to the V6: Heads, cam, valve train, intakes, forged bottom end etc...
And one thing I really like about the newer 3.8L is having dual length runners for each cylinder which gives a better power band than a single runner.
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Oh heck yeah. I had an 87 tbird and it was bone stock but for an autozone cone filter, and a 5 dollar lowes pneumatic pressure relief valve, and I was easily doing 18psi, and over 200hp, on a 214,000+ mile motor. Torquey, too. 35mpg, also, which is part of what I loved the best.
My addition to the debate: On an unlimited budget, there is never a replacement for displacement. Anything you can do to a 4 or a 6 you can do to an 8 with better results.
On a limited budget... Well I know it's far cheaper to reach 300hp on a turbo 2.3 than it is on a 5.0. (Junkyard volvo intercooler, junkyard holset turbo, 3 inch exhaust, 225lph fuel pump, run to home depot for piping. Bada bing bada boom. 300hp and 20+psi)
On a limited budget it all depends upon the motor, and it all depends upon the driver. If you want pure power, get a v8. If you wan the un-recreatable sound, get a v8. If you want something far more unique and to be able to show up a couple of the more poser v8 drivers around, get a 6. Yes, yes, the people who know what they're doing will still stomp you in their modded v8's, but you'll easily be able to show up wannabes driving near stock GT's that daddy bought them and they "tuned" at autozone.
Plus... Who builds v6 mustangs? You have uniqueness there, which for me means more than being able to stop light drag everything.
So ask yourself. Do you want LOTS of power, and LOTS of power potential if you have the cash to open it up? Or do you want adequate power, with plenty of power potential if you know what you're doing. And if you open up the power, you've got something to laugh at stock GTers who talk smack. And you've got something unique to show off to anyone who appreciates all cars, rather than "V8 or bust" or "Domestics suck!" people.
And this last statement will probably rub everyone the wrong way. How much power do you really need? I mean, my stock 105hp little beast has plenty of power for daily driving, it has plenty of power under there to pass anyone going under the speed limit. The only place where I feel a lack of power is merging onto the highway from a short ramp. You want low insurance? Don't drag from light to light, don't get pulled over. I'm 21, never had a ticket or accident, and I'm paying 15 dollars a month for insurance on my car. From State Farm. Sure the only thing I can beat in a drag is a pathetic 80's or 90's ricer, but why bother? 200 hp and 250 torque is what I had in my turbocoupe, and that in my opinion is plenty... 300hp is about the most HP that I can think of being useful in everyday life. Enough to yank you in the seat when you want fun, enough to stomp idiot posers if you need an ego boost, and pleny for any form of passing or merging you'd ever need to put your foot down for. If you thing 2-300hp in a 3500lb car is slow, you're looking for a ticket, or a crash. Either that, or get off the road and onto a track.
My addition to the debate: On an unlimited budget, there is never a replacement for displacement. Anything you can do to a 4 or a 6 you can do to an 8 with better results.
On a limited budget... Well I know it's far cheaper to reach 300hp on a turbo 2.3 than it is on a 5.0. (Junkyard volvo intercooler, junkyard holset turbo, 3 inch exhaust, 225lph fuel pump, run to home depot for piping. Bada bing bada boom. 300hp and 20+psi)
On a limited budget it all depends upon the motor, and it all depends upon the driver. If you want pure power, get a v8. If you wan the un-recreatable sound, get a v8. If you want something far more unique and to be able to show up a couple of the more poser v8 drivers around, get a 6. Yes, yes, the people who know what they're doing will still stomp you in their modded v8's, but you'll easily be able to show up wannabes driving near stock GT's that daddy bought them and they "tuned" at autozone.
Plus... Who builds v6 mustangs? You have uniqueness there, which for me means more than being able to stop light drag everything.
So ask yourself. Do you want LOTS of power, and LOTS of power potential if you have the cash to open it up? Or do you want adequate power, with plenty of power potential if you know what you're doing. And if you open up the power, you've got something to laugh at stock GTers who talk smack. And you've got something unique to show off to anyone who appreciates all cars, rather than "V8 or bust" or "Domestics suck!" people.
And this last statement will probably rub everyone the wrong way. How much power do you really need? I mean, my stock 105hp little beast has plenty of power for daily driving, it has plenty of power under there to pass anyone going under the speed limit. The only place where I feel a lack of power is merging onto the highway from a short ramp. You want low insurance? Don't drag from light to light, don't get pulled over. I'm 21, never had a ticket or accident, and I'm paying 15 dollars a month for insurance on my car. From State Farm. Sure the only thing I can beat in a drag is a pathetic 80's or 90's ricer, but why bother? 200 hp and 250 torque is what I had in my turbocoupe, and that in my opinion is plenty... 300hp is about the most HP that I can think of being useful in everyday life. Enough to yank you in the seat when you want fun, enough to stomp idiot posers if you need an ego boost, and pleny for any form of passing or merging you'd ever need to put your foot down for. If you thing 2-300hp in a 3500lb car is slow, you're looking for a ticket, or a crash. Either that, or get off the road and onto a track.