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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbauer

This chat is /over. V8>V6 end of story..not in my opinion but as a matter of fact.. your over here talking about turbos and stuff, why is it so hard for people to understand that FI= displacement. You wanna TT a V6? TT the V8 and see what happens. Do whatever you do to the six to the 8. I believe there will be a turbo 6 in the mustang, some day i can see it happening. But theres no way it will be faster than the V8. And if a V8 isn't offered (blasphemy) i'll ditch Fords.
FI doesn't equal displacement. It's an answer for more power than displacement. You have to remember, this isn't the 60's and 70's. We don't need 289ci or 5 liters and up of displacement to have fast cars. Do you know the new Honda Civic SI comes with almost 200HP stock out of a 2liter engine? Do you know what that equates to if Honda wanted to make an 8cylinder model? They could make a 460HP 4.6 liter or a 600HP 6liter engine. And don't give me they have to rev to make it, they make that power up high for 2 reasons. 1 because they have the lower dd rpms made for fuel economy and 2 they have the technology to safely rev that high(about 8k rpm). Talk about how far technology has come huh. And dare I mention a Supra? TT 6 car that stock put out 300HP and has a block and transmission that can handle as much whp as a cobra or more. I'm just telling you, stop this mentality towards all cars not V8's on the street, because the almight V8 isn't what it was in the 60's and 70's, or even the 90s where it started losing it's edge over the competition a bit. And one other thing, if you think 6's are slow, your almighty new edge gt is a drivers race with a little 4 banger SRT-4 neon.

And this argument could go on forever. 6 vs 8 in a stang. About the same mpg, about the same insurance. But the any model V8, the V6 will always cost $5k-$6k cheaper. And if we are talking same model year vs same model yr, until recently the V8 had a lot more potential than the V6. But now that there are a handful of 11sec DD stock internal 05+ V6 stangs on the road, the mighty V8 isn't so far ahead potential wise as it was in the past. As you like to say, your light bolt-on new edge GT(if it's you, might be the other guy) is faster than 90% of the car's on the road: A V6 with $5k in it is will run 12's and be faster than a little more than 90% of the cars on the road including most bolt-on new edge V8s. I'm not saying you have to like the mustang V6's, I'm just saying respect them(because from what I have seen, there are probably about 100 or more 05+ V6 stangs that run 12's on the road) and stop talking down about them. And don't say that doing a mod to a V6 could be done to a V8 because it gives the wrong impression. Of course you could, but not only does the same model V8 cost 5-6 thousand more, but mods for the V8 cost a noticable amount more. Example: PH411 turbo kit for V6 5.2k, turbo kit for V8 6k, Bama cai/tune V6-$600 V8-$650, Mac LT headers V6-$340 V8-$445, etc. You get the point.

And I do agree with you that V8's have there upsides. Yes they have more potential, but I could get a V6 into the 11's for the same price total you could get a V8 of the same year into the mid-high 12's. 11sec DD potential isn't enough for some, then they should get the V8. Exhaust sound isn't a question. V8's stock or with just a cat-back/mufflers sound a lot better than any V6's on the road. My favorite V8 sound combo is an o/r h-pipe with loudmouths or magnaflows. As stated, both have their ups and downs. V6 is a bit cheaper with less potential, but V8's do cost a pretty penny more(same model years). Anyone could buy a 5.0 for $2k or less and drop a new engine and strong transmission in it, let's be real. Let's stop the arguing and agree to disagree.

Recap points made of the neverending battle(all same model, 05+ stangs since that is the time period we are in):
-V6 stang has 11sec stock internals DD potential while the same total money spent would put a V8 stang into the mid-high 12s
-V8 stang probably has mid-low 11sec DD potential on stock internals with a turbo and bolt-ons (maybe even 10 with the right supporting mods)
-Full bolt-on V6 can run into the mid 13's, Full bolt-on V8s can run low 12's and probably 11's.
-V8 exhaust with muffler/cat-back>any V6 exhaust combo
-You theoretically can do any bolt-on to a V6 that you could do to a V8, it will just cost a little bit more per bolt-on
-There are a number of stock 13sec capable F/I 4 cylinders out there (SRT-4, Cobalt TC, Solstice GXP, etc) so displacement isn't the necessary answer in this day and age of technology and new alternate ways to meet needs
-F/I doesn't increase displacement, it's a way to make more power on an engine through exactly what it says(forcing more air into the same sized engine + more fuel too obviously needed). A neon is still a 4cylinder engine with under 3 liters of displacement whether it have a turbo on it or not


And there won't be a twin-turbo v8 stock because it would most likely cost over $35k easily with a 4.6 engine and that's just about gt500 territory.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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the v6 is a waste of money - especially if your buying new. Get a v8, if you cant get an 05 v8, get a 99-04 v8 ... and dont be afraid of it, its not like the v8 is "fast", believe its slow to, even if you bought an 03 or 05+ cobra your still not "fast" just decent, the reason im telling to get a v8 is resale... v6s are just basically worthless to individuals, dealers can move them, but youll lose your butt in a v6, plus while you own it youll hate it wishing you had a v8
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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I see more heavily modded v6s runing 13's and high 12's ... like said before you can play the internet game.... but we all know that v6's are slow. Its like having a really fast honda... even if it is fast... it still ghey
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Fobra
, but youll lose your butt in a v6, plus while you own it youll hate it wishing you had a v8

so. you are going to tell ME how i feel about my car? wow, I thought that my feelings about my car were how i really felt. Now you have shown me the light! thank you, newbie! you have changed my life!

Old Dec 4, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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All you V8 fan boys make me laugh... and are exactly why I don't like being associated with the 'common' Mustang owner reputation. You all are so close minded, almost to the point of wasting time trying to explain basic concepts.

Opinions are NOT facts. Go back to second grade and learn what words mean.
V8>V6 is an OPINION. And I'd bet money the one of someone who had never owned a V6 Mustang and/or someone who has no clue about the right way to make power from a motor for less money.

Keep flappin' those gums you fools. All you are ricers with a V8 instead of a Honda.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LilRoush
All you V8 fan boys make me laugh... and are exactly why I don't like being associated with the 'common' Mustang owner reputation. You all are so close minded, almost to the point of wasting time trying to explain basic concepts.

Opinions are NOT facts. Go back to second grade and learn what words mean.
V8>V6 is an OPINION. And I'd bet money the one of someone who had never owned a V6 Mustang and/or someone who has no clue about the right way to make power from a motor for less money.

Keep flappin' those gums you fools. All you are ricers with a V8 instead of a Honda.
I couldn't agree more.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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I've personally never regretted my sixer. I've had several V8 Mustangs. I'm happier with the performance per dollar with this motor than any of my 302, 347 or 351 cars.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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...V8>V6..
you go back to second grade..answer me this, which one would pac man rather eat?

I dunno, look i cant tell anyone how they feel about there car..that is an opinion, heck some ppl may like having no torque and a weed wacker for a muffler, but the facts that lb for lb there are more fast ford V8s than Ford V6s exist.
the fact that BMW and other high quality manufacturers are ditching the 6s they've had for decades for 8s in this age is also true.
I just want to say, if anyone here has spent the same amount of money on their mods as i have on mine (v8) and think they can beat me with a 6, Email me for a meet up. you can include the price of purchase into the equation too. if you bought your six for 4 grand and i bought my 8 for 7 grand, then you can count it as 3 grand in mods..i'll go THAT frikin far. BEcause most ppl don't even mod the damn 6, and for the few ppl that have, i'm not to worried about them.

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Do you know what that equates to if Honda wanted to make an 8cylinder model? They could make a 460HP 4.6 liter or a 600HP 6liter engine.
It's a lot more complicated than that.

...V8>V6..
you go back to second grade..answer me this, which one would pac man rather eat?
You're either a really good troll or an idiot. Even with your super godly "I'm insecure about my size" v8, it's only at a measly 281 cubes. Anything under 5 liters is a schoolgirl's v8.

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbauer
...V8>V6..
you go back to second grade..answer me this, which one would pac man rather eat?

I dunno, look i cant tell anyone how they feel about there car..that is an opinion, heck some ppl may like having no torque and a weed wacker for a muffler, but the facts that lb for lb there are more fast ford V8s than Ford V6s exist.
the fact that BMW and other high quality manufacturers are ditching the 6s they've had for decades for 8s in this age is also true.
I just want to say, if anyone here has spent the same amount of money on their mods as i have on mine (v8) and think they can beat me with a 6, Email me for a meet up. you can include the price of purchase into the equation too. if you bought your six for 4 grand and i bought my 8 for 7 grand, then you can count it as 3 grand in mods..i'll go THAT frikin far. BEcause most ppl don't even mod the damn 6, and for the few ppl that have, i'm not to worried about them.

where are you? Im sure if you are close, lilroush would have no problem setting up a race.



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