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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,389
From: Nor'east
the performance of the S197 GT compared to the performance of the new edge GT and how they both respond to mods is night and day, it's time you made peace with this
For the OP, STI and WRX cars in general hit a brick wall at around 80-90 MPH and boost. Unless they are modded they are fully boosted at that point and will get reeled in. Most of the time though people shut down like they did either because of traffic or because the Subbie driver knows this and doesn't want to look like a chump.
My 2 cents.
Wash Rinse Repeat
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 6,312
From: Michigan
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im sure a dyno tune could get 15-16 out of a 2v.
Quite a few people get a good 10whp out of the freakin diablosport canned tune.
If you think 3v is to 2v as LS1 is to LT1 you are sadly mistaken.
The LS1 is vastly superior to the LT1, such is not the case with the 3v.
It IS superior...but it wasnt as big a jump as it should have been.
im sure a dyno tune could get 15-16 out of a 2v.
Quite a few people get a good 10whp out of the freakin diablosport canned tune.
If you think 3v is to 2v as LS1 is to LT1 you are sadly mistaken.
The LS1 is vastly superior to the LT1, such is not the case with the 3v.
It IS superior...but it wasnt as big a jump as it should have been.
this is a 3V on the drums after just a dyno tune...
284 RWHP @ 309lbs tq
now I've seen a 2V put down 289WHP @ 306lbs tq... this is all it had done
- CAI/dyno tune
- LT headers
- X pipe
- catback
- UD pulley
- 75mm TB/plenum
- custom ground cams
so yeah, I'd say it is far superior considering it's making the same power as a full bolt on cammed 2V after just playing with the tune
swallow your pride and get over yourself, even the GM guys give props to the 3V's considering how they are keeping up compared to the 2V's... the only one who doesn't seem to see the difference is you
Last edited by Morbid Intentions; Aug 20, 2008 at 09:54 AM.
2nd Gear Member
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 335
From: Miam, FL
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im sure a dyno tune could get 15-16 out of a 2v.
Quite a few people get a good 10whp out of the freakin diablosport canned tune.
If you think 3v is to 2v as LS1 is to LT1 you are sadly mistaken.
The LS1 is vastly superior to the LT1, such is not the case with the 3v.
It IS superior...but it wasnt as big a jump as it should have been.
The 2010 mustang is supposed to have a 4.6l w/ 400hp. Now thats a jump
im sure a dyno tune could get 15-16 out of a 2v.
Quite a few people get a good 10whp out of the freakin diablosport canned tune.
If you think 3v is to 2v as LS1 is to LT1 you are sadly mistaken.
The LS1 is vastly superior to the LT1, such is not the case with the 3v.
It IS superior...but it wasnt as big a jump as it should have been.
The 2010 mustang is supposed to have a 4.6l w/ 400hp. Now thats a jump
What you're saying is that the only bump in power worth mentioning is 100hp+? The S197 handles, brakes, and outperforms the new edge in every way. Not just power and performance wise, but ergonomics, interior quality, comfort, space, options, features, you name it.
Not to mention, an aluminum block and heads from Ford? I'll take an S197, please.
Did the new edges bring aluminum blocks? (I'm really asking; I don't know)
Last edited by rugedraw; Aug 20, 2008 at 10:02 AM. Reason: grammar
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 362
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new edges are iron block, but you can get aluminum 2v longblocks for pretty cheap if you so desire.
I never said the 3v wasnt superior. It would be quite dumb of Ford not to improve the output of the motor when changing generations.
Its just not an improvement worth the extra 7-10k it costs to purchase an S197 over a new edge.
I never said the 3v wasnt superior. It would be quite dumb of Ford not to improve the output of the motor when changing generations.
Its just not an improvement worth the extra 7-10k it costs to purchase an S197 over a new edge.
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Joined: May 2006
Posts: 13,808
From: Earth
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The hp difference between an LT1 97 Z28 and an LS1 Z28 is a lot more than just, what, 25 to, what, huh, eH, 30 hp....
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Googled a 1997 SS's power ratings and its said to be 320hp.
The hp difference between an LT1 97 Z28 and an LS1 Z28 is a lot more than just, what, 25 to, what, huh, eH, 30 hp....
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Googled a 1997 SS's power ratings and its said to be 320hp.
Last edited by 99GTvert; Aug 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM. Reason: ERWRAWERA
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 6,312
From: Michigan
you are a tool, the 3V is superior to the 2V the same way the PI 2v is superior to the non PI and also the same way a LS1 is superior to an LT1
for you to even bring up other applications as a benchmark just shows you are grasping at straws
the only difference is the 2V can't respond to mods worth dick... the LT1 can, so the perfomance margin is greater than the LT1/LS1 difference
you bought a 2V mod motor and you need some kind of FI to get decent numbers to the ground, deal with it
for you to even bring up other applications as a benchmark just shows you are grasping at straws
the only difference is the 2V can't respond to mods worth dick... the LT1 can, so the perfomance margin is greater than the LT1/LS1 difference
you bought a 2V mod motor and you need some kind of FI to get decent numbers to the ground, deal with it
Last edited by Morbid Intentions; Aug 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM.
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Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,323
From: So Cal
My previous car was a 03 GT. My 06 gt stock was very sluggish due to electronic throttle. Once you put a intake and tune it for 91 octane the thing becomes a beast. Car for CAr the 03gt is not made as well as the new ones. The 03 just felt like crap, expecially the tranny and interior. No matter what I did the car couldnt really handle the twisties. The 03 for some reason did feel like it had more torque off first gear but that may have to due with the throttle. The 06 is just a better built car all around and I get "thumbs up" all the time in my s197. Never got one in my 03.
Dont get me wrong i love the termis. That is probably my favorite looking mustang of all time.
Either way from what i have experienced, comparing stock for stock the s197 is just a better built car all around. Trust me newer is always better.
Dont get me wrong i love the termis. That is probably my favorite looking mustang of all time.
Either way from what i have experienced, comparing stock for stock the s197 is just a better built car all around. Trust me newer is always better.
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 10,639
From: IL
put down the crack pipe.
the 05+ cars are far superior to the previous models! I'm talking all around -ride, ergonomics, comfort, fuel economy, power potential and mod potential. Not to mention they (IMHO) look sooooo much better!
And please check your pricing. the 04 Termi listed at $34-$35 from my research. A new 08 GT can be had for $28-$30K. So hardly equal.
Sorry to the OP for the thread jack!
the 05+ cars are far superior to the previous models! I'm talking all around -ride, ergonomics, comfort, fuel economy, power potential and mod potential. Not to mention they (IMHO) look sooooo much better!
And please check your pricing. the 04 Termi listed at $34-$35 from my research. A new 08 GT can be had for $28-$30K. So hardly equal.
Sorry to the OP for the thread jack!
A new edge Cobra with some 315's on the back, and lowered...Thats a good looking car.
